people who have multiple degrees

[Duneranger]

I'll admit I have multiple degrees that I have no plan on using for a career and I am signed up to complete more. I am spending my own money and I can spend it on what I choose to do so. I really don't care about being called a credential chaser. I love learning and I when I finish something I like getting a gold star.

I think there’s  something to 13 years of primary/secondary school and corporate coaching and management techniques have conditioned people to jump through hoops to get some form of gold star. Some people are chasing six sigma black belts, jiu jitsu black belts, church league basketball tournament wins, dog show prizes, Food Network competition wins, completing a collection of this or that, climbing Everest, achieving military rank or accolade … I think it’s just a natural part of the human condition to want to approach a challenge and overcome it. There are many different frameworks to provide an outlet for that need and can express in many forms. Chasing credentials just happens to be one of the expressions.

It would be way weirder if nobody credential chased. After all, nobody asked Tom Brady on his fourth Superbowl win, “Gee Tom, why do you keep doing this? How many do you really need? Four is more than most people ever get, what’s the point of more? It’s just getting weird.” 

You find something you’re good at, you generally like to keep doing it.

Sure, but most of the degree choices on this forum are catered to people trying to get through them as fast as possible. Hence the hacking with places like Sophia (which to be honest is a joke). Not sure how much "learning" is being done. SO whats the real answer?

I completed a UMPI degree in one term. I don't care if its "CBE". There wasn't really any learning other than a few old YT videos and PDFs. I'd venture a guess that most people pursuing History and Poli Sci degrees at UMPI aren't extremely adept or competent in these subjects beforehand, the work is just easy and the classes lack substance.

If it's truly about the challenge and accolades...

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I'll admit I have multiple degrees that I have no plan on using for a career and I am signed up to complete more. I am spending my own money and I can spend it on what I choose to do so. I really don't care about being called a credential chaser. I love learning and I when I finish something I like getting a gold star.

Yeah I like learning too, that’s what a library card is for.

Then why are you on this forum? Just go read a book.

Loaded question/logical fallacy. Went to UMPI, got the degree ( I have a masters in the field but needed a BA to round out the teaching credential gap). and was largely disappointed in the education quality.  SO it bemuses me a bit when people are saying they are here for the love of learning when the degrees are catered to those wanting quick, cheap and easy.

Since you chose to single me out with your previous comments on this board I will share something. You don't know me from a grain of salt. I went to two state schools in person and graduated from both. I have also have gone to online school as well and graduated. I could be spending my money that I earned on far worser things than education. If I want to take advantage of free offerings or reduced tuition I will take advantage of it. As previous commenter said, "Nobody tells Tom Brady to stop earning rings."

I wanted to add that I have a couple decades long career and my online education has propelled along with my experience.

I responded to multiple people, but sure lol. Everyone has an anecdotal story, but this forum is catered to getting cheap, easy and quick degrees is it not? I don't see anyone posting about the 100s of other online schools that have full semester schedules and will take 3-4 years to complete.  Are we REALLY going to argue the education quality is the same? Objectively, how is getting 3/4 of a degree from Sophia and rushing through 10 classes in 3 months the same? I don't really see your argument here.

The argument isn't about what is worse to spend money on...that's a red herring

If someone tells me that UMPI's H&P degree is the same rigor as any other history degree at a LA/state school I would call them out in a heartbeat because that is pure delusion.

A degree is useful, it opens doors. But at some point collecting degrees becomes a complex with next to no ROI.

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If someone takes a course and got nothing out of it, it's on them. You get out what you put in. Doesn't matter whether it's a for-profit school that gives ACE credits, or an advanced engineering course from Stanford. Whether you learn anything or not heavily depends upon the attitude of the learner.

Umm it definitely matters. If a course is a few PDFs and YT videos, that is a massive difference than a trad college class.

I was a college level instructor for Anatomy and Physiology. Can you learn something from Sophia's version? Sure. Is it on the SAME level as a traditional college course? NO. That's my argument.

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@duneranger You need to live and let live. You somehow made it your mission to put down people's choices for their own lives. Who cares if someone uses Sophia to get credits quickly. You said that you use the library. What if they do too. You can go to the library and learn about the history of Western Civilization and will probably learn just as much on a college course. Maybe someone doesn't need to take a traditional class because they use the library like you do. Traditional college is sometimes less focused. There were many times in my traditional classes where the professors used class time to discuss their own life problems. I have also had traditional classes where the class before the test the professor gave us the answers to the test. Also, in traditional classes sometimes the professor is so awful they have to scale the grades because the professor would look bad by failing the whole entire class.

[Duneranger]

@duneranger You need to live and let live. You somehow made it your mission to put down people's choices for their own lives. Who cares if someone uses Sophia to get credits quickly. You said that you use the library. What if they do too. You can go to the library and learn about the history of Western Civilization and will probably learn just as much on a college course. Maybe someone doesn't need to take a traditional class because they use the library like you do. Traditional college is sometimes less focused. There were many times in my traditional classes where the professors used class time to discuss their own life problems. I have also had traditional classes where the class before the test the professor gave us the answers to the test. Also, in traditional classes sometimes the professor is so awful they have to scale the grades because the professor would look bad by failing the whole entire class.

I think you are talking one-off scenarios. I took history and philosophy in undergrad and these classes sparked TONS of meaningful conversations and debates that you just don't see online.  By and large in person classes are going to be more comprehensive. If someone told me their A and P lab exam on Sophia was the same as my 7am 30 second station cadaver A and P lab exam,  again I would call them delusional. 

I don't care if someone uses Sophia, my example was just an example of how the content isn't up to par. There is a reason why most colleges snub their noses at ACE credits.

The original thread question was about collecting degrees. That is what I was commenting on originally.

[ReyMysterioso]

@duneranger You need to live and let live. You somehow made it your mission to put down people's choices for their own lives. Who cares if someone uses Sophia to get credits quickly. You said that you use the library. What if they do too. You can go to the library and learn about the history of Western Civilization and will probably learn just as much on a college course. Maybe someone doesn't need to take a traditional class because they use the library like you do. Traditional college is sometimes less focused. There were many times in my traditional classes where the professors used class time to discuss their own life problems. I have also had traditional classes where the class before the test the professor gave us the answers to the test. Also, in traditional classes sometimes the professor is so awful they have to scale the grades because the professor would look bad by failing the whole entire class.

I think you are talking one-off scenarios. I took history and philosophy in undergrad and these classes sparked TONS of meaningful conversations and debates that you just don't see online.  By and large in person classes are going to be more comprehensive. If someone told me their A and P lab exam on Sophia was the same as my 7am 30 second station cadaver A and P lab exam,  again I would call them delusional. 

I don't care if someone uses Sophia, my example was just an example of how the content isn't up to par. There is a reason why most colleges snub their noses at ACE credits.

The original thread question was about collecting degrees. That is what I was commenting on originally.

Well you got a few different answers to your original question and decided to dismiss them and call it a complex. So I suspect you are not actually interested in hearing what anybody’s real motivations are, but have your own opinion of it and are looking for confirmation. So if you want to think it’s a complex, you’re welcome to that opinion. Have a nice day!

[Duneranger]

@duneranger You need to live and let live. You somehow made it your mission to put down people's choices for their own lives. Who cares if someone uses Sophia to get credits quickly. You said that you use the library. What if they do too. You can go to the library and learn about the history of Western Civilization and will probably learn just as much on a college course. Maybe someone doesn't need to take a traditional class because they use the library like you do. Traditional college is sometimes less focused. There were many times in my traditional classes where the professors used class time to discuss their own life problems. I have also had traditional classes where the class before the test the professor gave us the answers to the test. Also, in traditional classes sometimes the professor is so awful they have to scale the grades because the professor would look bad by failing the whole entire class.

I think you are talking one-off scenarios. I took history and philosophy in undergrad and these classes sparked TONS of meaningful conversations and debates that you just don't see online.  By and large in person classes are going to be more comprehensive. If someone told me their A and P lab exam on Sophia was the same as my 7am 30 second station cadaver A and P lab exam,  again I would call them delusional. 

I don't care if someone uses Sophia, my example was just an example of how the content isn't up to par. There is a reason why most colleges snub their noses at ACE credits.

The original thread question was about collecting degrees. That is what I was commenting on originally.

Well you got a few different answers to your original question and decided to dismiss them and call it a complex. So I suspect you are not actually interested in hearing what anybody’s real motivations are, but have your own opinion of it and are looking for confirmation. So if you want to think it’s a complex, you’re welcome to that opinion. Have a nice day!

Actually, I really didnt get any answers other than this is my time and money and I do what I want. It is an answer....I suppose lol

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@duneranger You need to live and let live. You somehow made it your mission to put down people's choices for their own lives. Who cares if someone uses Sophia to get credits quickly. You said that you use the library. What if they do too. You can go to the library and learn about the history of Western Civilization and will probably learn just as much on a college course. Maybe someone doesn't need to take a traditional class because they use the library like you do. Traditional college is sometimes less focused. There were many times in my traditional classes where the professors used class time to discuss their own life problems. I have also had traditional classes where the class before the test the professor gave us the answers to the test. Also, in traditional classes sometimes the professor is so awful they have to scale the grades because the professor would look bad by failing the whole entire class.

I think you are talking one-off scenarios. I took history and philosophy in undergrad and these classes sparked TONS of meaningful conversations and debates that you just don't see online.  By and large in person classes are going to be more comprehensive. If someone told me their A and P lab exam on Sophia was the same as my 7am 30 second station cadaver A and P lab exam,  again I would call them delusional. 

I don't care if someone uses Sophia, my example was just an example of how the content isn't up to par. There is a reason why most colleges snub their noses at ACE credits.

The original thread question was about collecting degrees. That is what I was commenting on originally.

Well you got a few different answers to your original question and decided to dismiss them and call it a complex. So I suspect you are not actually interested in hearing what anybody’s real motivations are, but have your own opinion of it and are looking for confirmation. So if you want to think it’s a complex, you’re welcome to that opinion. Have a nice day!

Actually, I really didnt get any answers other than this is my time and money and I do what I want. It is an answer....I suppose lol

I am sorry but I don't think anyone is trying to find an answer that will seek your approval. This is a forum that promotes education and you have turned this into a negative experience. I am done with this back and forth with you. The best thing for me to do is block you. You have acted this way on other discussions on this board towards me. Honestly I am trying to tune out the negativity.

[Duneranger]

@duneranger You need to live and let live. You somehow made it your mission to put down people's choices for their own lives. Who cares if someone uses Sophia to get credits quickly. You said that you use the library. What if they do too. You can go to the library and learn about the history of Western Civilization and will probably learn just as much on a college course. Maybe someone doesn't need to take a traditional class because they use the library like you do. Traditional college is sometimes less focused. There were many times in my traditional classes where the professors used class time to discuss their own life problems. I have also had traditional classes where the class before the test the professor gave us the answers to the test. Also, in traditional classes sometimes the professor is so awful they have to scale the grades because the professor would look bad by failing the whole entire class.

I think you are talking one-off scenarios. I took history and philosophy in undergrad and these classes sparked TONS of meaningful conversations and debates that you just don't see online.  By and large in person classes are going to be more comprehensive. If someone told me their A and P lab exam on Sophia was the same as my 7am 30 second station cadaver A and P lab exam,  again I would call them delusional. 

I don't care if someone uses Sophia, my example was just an example of how the content isn't up to par. There is a reason why most colleges snub their noses at ACE credits.

The original thread question was about collecting degrees. That is what I was commenting on originally.

Well you got a few different answers to your original question and decided to dismiss them and call it a complex. So I suspect you are not actually interested in hearing what anybody’s real motivations are, but have your own opinion of it and are looking for confirmation. So if you want to think it’s a complex, you’re welcome to that opinion. Have a nice day!

Actually, I really didnt get any answers other than this is my time and money and I do what I want. It is an answer....I suppose lol

I am sorry but I don't think anyone is trying to find an answer that will seek your approval. This is a forum that promotes education and you have turned this into a negative experience. I am done with this back and forth with you. The best thing for me to do is block you. You have acted this way on other discussions on this board towards me. Honestly I am trying to tune out the negativity.

Lol do want you want, it matters not to me lol