Why does DegreeForum like ENEB

[Thorne]

I do not follow all of the ENEB stuff but I any time a “degree” can be bought via Groupon, I am a little hesitant. I have no issues with manner in which the degree is completed but allowing students to enroll via a Groupon deal is a little…weird.

Hmmm, well, I would hope one would have much more concern with the manner in which the degree is completed. A 50 question test to get a degree is not acceptable and not respectable. The Groupon situation is just a little weird. The 50 question test for an entire Master's degree is objectively bogus, made even more bogus by the fact that the school makes no transcripted distinction between the degree being milled with a 50 question test, and the degree being earned through doing actual work - writing papers. It's just deceptive, and part of the reason the FCEs are going to blacklist ENEB and Isabel soon if they haven't already.

I thought ENEB said that the transcripted "Masters by Test" option would not include any actual grades, unlike the transcript for the traditional all-written course? At least that's what they told me in my email correspondence with them.

I agree that it's not an acceptable option, I'm sincerely appalled that they are even running this 'promotion' at all. Hard to call it a promotion when it's been going on for 6 months with no signs of stopping either...

[posabsolute]

If you look in the giant ENEB thread, you will find many (including me) that aren't in favor of ENEB..

It's important you understand what you get from it, which while clear to me, I think for newbies this board has an overload of information that can be problematic in this case.

Gratitude for your valuable contributions on the forum, @posabsolute; however, it is pertinent to note that perspectives unfavorable to ENEB's positions are outdated as we enter 2024. The contrast between the substantial successes of ENEB and the unproven value of opposing theories has shifted significantly since your initial posts in the larger thread.

ENEB may not be suitable for everyone, as with any educational institution. It demands an open-minded approach and the application of critical thinking, which aligns with the purpose of this forum. Undeniably, ENEB stands out as the swiftest and most cost-effective pathway to attain a degree recognized by numerous institutions for credit transfer.

Amidst this, why does the discourse persist, seemingly rooted in an antiquated notion that ENEB lacks merit?

Oh sorry, I guess I forgot my open mind and critical thinking with my flip-flops at home while writing this post..

I don't think the discussion on its merit is antiquated; what changed exactly? Beside getting it successfully evaluated internationally through Isabel?  (who knows for how long with the new exam stuff) 

My initial thoughts still stand:

* Bought through Groupon is dodgy
* Proprio degree from ENEB through Isabel for an amount that is way too low, dodgy.
* Some ENEB tutor listed on their website don't even have listed their position on LinkedIn, dodgy, example https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexriuslaorden/
* The essays required effort for a passing grade seemed too low; even if some people on this board did great work, doesn't mean you need to do great.
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* Now it's even worse, one open book quiz for an entire master. How can you trust ENEB after that? Which gets back to my point about how the essays were evaluated years ago, I don't trust them as an institution.

To each their own, some do it for fun, some for long-term learning, and some have no choice from a cost standpoint, you do what you have to do, but I won't personally accept this as a serious degree for credentialling as an alternative to a US master because my critical thinking is screaming red flags all around.

I don't expect anyone who is already sold to this degree to change their mind, but the question was why this forum likes it so much, I would say, it probably looks that way partly because the people not interested in this degree do not post about it anymore, because we discussed at length the credential validity topic already.

[KSoul]

If you look in the giant ENEB thread, you will find many (including me) that aren't in favor of ENEB..

It's important you understand what you get from it, which while clear to me, I think for newbies this board has an overload of information that can be problematic in this case.

Gratitude for your valuable contributions on the forum, @posabsolute; however, it is pertinent to note that perspectives unfavorable to ENEB's positions are outdated as we enter 2024. The contrast between the substantial successes of ENEB and the unproven value of opposing theories has shifted significantly since your initial posts in the larger thread.

ENEB may not be suitable for everyone, as with any educational institution. It demands an open-minded approach and the application of critical thinking, which aligns with the purpose of this forum. Undeniably, ENEB stands out as the swiftest and most cost-effective pathway to attain a degree recognized by numerous institutions for credit transfer.

Amidst this, why does the discourse persist, seemingly rooted in an antiquated notion that ENEB lacks merit?

Oh sorry, I guess I forgot my open mind and critical thinking with my flip-flops at home while writing this post..

I don't think the discussion on its merit is antiquated; what changed exactly? Beside getting it successfully evaluated internationally through Isabel?  (who knows for how long with the new exam stuff) 

My initial thoughts still stand:

* Bought through Groupon is dodgy
* Proprio degree from ENEB through Isabel for an amount that is way too low, dodgy.
* Some ENEB tutor listed on their website don't even have listed their position on LinkedIn, dodgy, example https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexriuslaorden/
* The essays required effort for a passing grade seemed too low; even if some people on this board did great work, doesn't mean you need to do great.
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* Now it's even worse, one open book quiz for an entire master. How can you trust ENEB after that? Which gets back to my point about how the essays were evaluated years ago, I don't trust them as an institution.

To each their own, some do it for fun, some for long-term learning, and some have no choice from a cost standpoint, you do what you have to do, but I won't personally accept this as a serious degree for credentialling as an alternative to a US master because my critical thinking is screaming red flags all around.

I don't expect anyone who is already sold to this degree to change their mind, but the question was why this forum likes it so much, I would say, it probably looks that way partly because the people not interested in this degree do not post about it anymore, because we discussed at length the credential validity topic already.

After spending several years living just a few blocks away from the beach, I was immediately captivated by the casual appeal of flip-flops.

The original thread began with the assertion that ENEB had no value, but what has changed is that it now holds tremendous value, particularly in terms of transfer credits to multiple RA universities and admission to NA doctorate programs.

It is essential to recognize that the reason for ENEB's popularity lies in its cost and its value. The outdated aspect of the ENEB debate lies in the repetitive use of questionable tactics. While I have reservations about some of the listed bullet points, I have personally found significant value in the degree. The opposition to ENEB stems from its initial lack of perceived value, and the absence of continued criticism suggests that those detractors were mistaken, making continued negative postings unwarranted.

Although no ENEB graduate has defended the exam option, loves the Groupon option, or ENEB marketing tactics, all graduates remain stalwart in their defense of the program's value for specific use cases. This clarification hopefully provides a better understanding of the situation.

[nykorn]

Almost no foreign degree will be evaluated as equivalent by all FCEs. Even far better-recognized schools than ENEB have gotten less than favorable evaluation results.

I don't think anyone is violently against testing out on a board like this. The problem isn't with being able to test out, the problem is that ENEB allows you to test out with just 50 questions, and that's what puts them in mill territory now.

I think if ENEB or Harvard are the two extremes a person is looking for in order to get a job, I would say they've overlooked a lot of critical components regarding what that takes.

My Bachelor's degree from Sweden evaluates as equivalent to a regionally accredited American Bachelor's by WES USA (WES did lower my GPA though). I was the first one to get a WES evaluation from my school. My Associate's however wasn't evaluated as equivalent and I can only assume it's because it doesn't contain any General Education Credits.

They magically evaluated my (research) Associate's and Bachelor's without contacting my Swedish school, getting any copies of syllabuses or my thesis paper, etc. It's all evaluated on bias or assumptions. They also don't seem to know Nordic education is much tougher than American. I've seen reports of WES misunderstanding NLP as computer science instead of psychology, which is proof they never even Googled the school syllabus.

In Asia they sometimes reject my Bachelor's degree because it was taught in two languages and they only want to accept degrees 100% taught in English. Yet they accept ENEB. I feel there is a lot going on with the FCEs.

I've read over 300 forum pages, Reddit discussions etc on ENEB. Yes there are people very opposed to the exam format existing at all. Maybe not on this particular forum. It all blurs together after a while.

[posabsolute]

International degree evaluations can change; a degree mill that somehow would pass through WES has tremendous value for that purpose until it doesn't, and then the value is 0 and potentially even harmful. In my opinion, many asterisks apply to ENEB value.

That's why the testing degree method this board has pushed forward focuses mostly on recognized institutions, and usually, we make sure you understand regional and national accreditation, so that you future-proof yourself depending on why you want the degree. So, personally, I don't buy it. You are doing your Doctorate right now; what if you become a professor and some students look into your credentials? What if WES stops accepting ENEB?

Many in this thread are still unconvinced, even if all the ENEB graduates (potential bias on both sides) seem to be. In any case, this closes it for me; clearly, this thread is going nowhere.

[Pinko64]

I recommend stopping the discussion right here. It's clear to me and i think everyone what makes ENEB questionable and what makes it valuable.

Thank you all very much for the valuable input

[ashkir]

International degree evaluations can change; a degree mill that somehow would pass through WES has tremendous value for that purpose until it doesn't, and then the value is 0 and potentially even harmful. In my opinion, many asterisks apply to ENEB value.

That's why the testing degree method this board has pushed forward focuses mostly on recognized institutions, and usually, we make sure you understand regional and national accreditation, so that you future-proof yourself depending on why you want the degree. So, personally, I don't buy it. You are doing your Doctorate right now; what if you become a professor and some students look into your credentials? What if WES stops accepting ENEB?

Many in this thread are still unconvinced, even if all the ENEB graduates (potential bias on both sides) seem to be. In any case, this closes it for me; clearly, this thread is going nowhere.

Degree evaluations are valid for the period of which they were evaluated. For example there was a time where University of Phoenix degrees weren't considered valid. There's several schools that lost accrediation, but, those that did graduate during their accredited years still have valid degrees.

I used ENEB as a means to get extra credits to a university that was okay with them. I already had an RA Master's degree. I simply needed another 21 credits and ENEB was the quickest way for me to pursue it. Others are now using it as a replacement for their RA/NA Master's. But, that is up to the accepting university.

[posabsolute]

That's not how international degree evaluation works; this isn't a US degree. If WES stops recognizing the institution, the next employer or university that leverages WES won't accept it, so you won't be able to leverage it in the future. So yes, in your case, it's just credits in your RA degree; it works, but not for people using it as a degree credential itself.

Also, UoP's reputation suffered for years and had a huge stigma, not sure I would have used that example.

I said I would not comment anymore, but what do you know?

[ReyMysterioso]

I was one of the early adopters to guinea pig ENEB. I have one of the masters but do not list it on my resume or LinkedIn. I think it's mostly junk and its only potential value could be for transfer credit if a program will accept the credits. Maybe for job purposes if a current employer accepts it for a pay bump. 
In a vacuum, I would tell people to just avoid it, but some have found situational uses.

[bjcheung77]

And then there the ones that use the degree for learning and knowledge gaps, ENEB isn't for everyone, you really need to decide for yourself if you are here for specific reasons to get the ENEB or not, so don't compare it with a $3K up to $30K MBA/Masters. If it does the job, get it, if it doesn't do anything for you, skip it.