Why does DegreeForum like ENEB

[darthweezy]

@darthweezy, any college/university that accepts the NACES member evaluation agencies on the WIKI will accept you.  Depending on your overall application, as I mentioned, any... For those more competitive or selective, make sure you have most if not all the requirements for entry into their programs...

I understand that, but I didn't know if there was a list anywhere that showed which masters links up with a university here in the states. When I read the wiki I don't understand how to find the information from the universities themselves other than reaching out directly.

[rachel83az]

Reaching out to the universities themselves is basically the only way to be completely sure. You can also look for their "international students" page. There may be one for students wishing to get an undergrad degree and one for graduate students, or it may be a combined page. That should tell you what evaluators they accept and otherwise what they are expecting.

[bjcheung77]

Why would you need a list? No list has been created as there are so many colleges/universities in the US alone... As I mentioned, any NACES member will work, in fact, you can do a search of your favorite institutions that made your short list of degrees you want to get. Check out their foreign transfer requirements, it may show they will accept NACES and AICE members, maybe even Validential and non-members of either group. You can then decide which NACES member to go with and apply... you don't need a list for that, there are over 6 thousand institutions in the US alone... I don't think any directory would tell you or list that for you...

[Popestt]

They weren't always well perceived here. When I first found ENEB through Groupon around the end of 2019, I started researching título propio degrees like crazy, and came across this forum. They had just barely began discussing ENEB at that time, and I chimed in saying that I believe it to be legitimate, at least in context of Spanish schools. I was quickly accused of working for the school, and coming in just to defend the school. I ended up enrolling into ENEB, which was just enough to give me the bug to get back in school and I ended up switching over to WGU to get my MBA.

[nykorn]

ENEB isn't particularly perceived well. The materials and test questions are (sometimes very badly) translated to English from Spanish. The degrees aren't rated by FCEs as 100% equivalent to a US Master's, depending on who you go to. Some people think the curriculum is not demanding enough. Some people are violently opposed to being able to test out of classes, thinking it turns ENEB into a diploma mill. Although ECTS are supposed to transfer into all European countries, some Europeans found that the degree as a whole was rejected in their country. Some people are finding that the paper grading process is taking several months longer than it should. Some are worried because employers won't recognize the ENEB name and they want a "brand name" on their resume like Harvard which will instantly get them the job.

The main pros however are:

- Unlike most schools, ENEB accepts people of any Bachelor's subject for any of their Master's.

- Unlike most schools, ENEB is truly "do at your own pace", and for the same set tuition price. If it were humanly possible, you could do the whole degree in a day - or you could take 18 months, and still pay the same amount of money.

- ENEB offers the exam format without making it clear the degree was done by exam or the exact timeframe you took. So you could get your degree in 3 months but the transcript will still look like it took a full year or two. Some cultures do scrutinize the time taken for the degree, and reject applicants who graduated too fast.

- It's not only MBAs. ENEB offers a few degrees other schools don't, for example Hotels & Tourism. SOME of these subjects can get you a fast ticket to a new job - even one granting a visa and even without job experience.

- ENEB degrees seem to be accepted in a variety of countries including Japan (according to information on the official Japanese embassy page related to Japanese government scholarships, which I had to Google translate from Spanish) and Korea (a country which seems to accept anything with an apostille as valid).

- Some of us are just that poor. 3 degrees at ENEB, including an apostille, notarization, and shipping to me, cost only around $1,300 (with their sales) and can be done in less than a year. Even though I'm still paying back my $24,000 in student loans from my previous unemployable degrees, and despite formal employment am only making about $600 a month here in the USA, I can still afford ENEB. I can't however afford WGU or some of the other "cheap" schools, and even University of the People prices are pushing it (plus UoP limits most students to just 2 courses per term, making a 1 year degree turn into 2 or more years). If this turns out to be yet another unemployable piece of education under my belt, at least it wasn't a huge risk of money equal to over a year's salary.

[eLearner]

ENEB isn't particularly perceived well. The materials and test questions are (sometimes very badly) translated to English from Spanish. The degrees aren't rated by FCEs as 100% equivalent to a US Master's, depending on who you go to. Some people think the curriculum is not demanding enough. Some people are violently opposed to being able to test out of classes, thinking it turns ENEB into a diploma mill. Although ECTS are supposed to transfer into all European countries, some Europeans found that the degree as a whole was rejected in their country. Some people are finding that the paper grading process is taking several months longer than it should. Some are worried because employers won't recognize the ENEB name and they want a "brand name" on their resume like Harvard which will instantly get them the job.

The main pros however are:

- Unlike most schools, ENEB accepts people of any Bachelor's subject for any of their Master's.

- Unlike most schools, ENEB is truly "do at your own pace", and for the same set tuition price. If it were humanly possible, you could do the whole degree in a day - or you could take 18 months, and still pay the same amount of money.

- ENEB offers the exam format without making it clear the degree was done by exam or the exact timeframe you took. So you could get your degree in 3 months but the transcript will still look like it took a full year or two. Some cultures do scrutinize the time taken for the degree, and reject applicants who graduated too fast.

- It's not only MBAs. ENEB offers a few degrees other schools don't, for example Hotels & Tourism. SOME of these subjects can get you a fast ticket to a new job - even one granting a visa and even without job experience.

- ENEB degrees seem to be accepted in a variety of countries including Japan (according to information on the official Japanese embassy page related to Japanese government scholarships, which I had to Google translate from Spanish) and Korea (a country which seems to accept anything with an apostille as valid).

- Some of us are just that poor. 3 degrees at ENEB, including an apostille, notarization, and shipping to me, cost only around $1,300 (with their sales) and can be done in less than a year. Even though I'm still paying back my $24,000 in student loans from my previous unemployable degrees, and despite formal employment am only making about $600 a month here in the USA, I can still afford ENEB. I can't however afford WGU or some of the other "cheap" schools, and even University of the People prices are pushing it (plus UoP limits most students to just 2 courses per term, making a 1 year degree turn into 2 or more years). If this turns out to be yet another unemployable piece of education under my belt, at least it wasn't a huge risk of money equal to over a year's salary.

Almost no foreign degree will be evaluated as equivalent by all FCEs. Even far better-recognized schools than ENEB have gotten less than favorable evaluation results.

I don't think anyone is violently against testing out on a board like this. The problem isn't with being able to test out, the problem is that ENEB allows you to test out with just 50 questions, and that's what puts them in mill territory now.

I think if ENEB or Harvard are the two extremes a person is looking for in order to get a job, I would say they've overlooked a lot of critical components regarding what that takes.

[posabsolute]

If you look in the giant ENEB thread, you will find many (including me) that aren't in favor of ENEB..

It's important you understand what you get from it, which while clear to me, I think for newbies this board has an overload of information that can be problematic in this case.

[KSoul]

If you look in the giant ENEB thread, you will find many (including me) that aren't in favor of ENEB..

It's important you understand what you get from it, which while clear to me, I think for newbies this board has an overload of information that can be problematic in this case.

Gratitude for your valuable contributions on the forum, @posabsolute; however, it is pertinent to note that perspectives unfavorable to ENEB's positions are outdated as we enter 2024. The contrast between the substantial successes of ENEB and the unproven value of opposing theories has shifted significantly since your initial posts in the larger thread.

ENEB may not be suitable for everyone, as with any educational institution. It demands an open-minded approach and the application of critical thinking, which aligns with the purpose of this forum. Undeniably, ENEB stands out as the swiftest and most cost-effective pathway to attain a degree recognized by numerous institutions for credit transfer.

Amidst this, why does the discourse persist, seemingly rooted in an antiquated notion that ENEB lacks merit?

[ThatBankDude]

If you look in the giant ENEB thread, you will find many (including me) that aren't in favor of ENEB..

It's important you understand what you get from it, which while clear to me, I think for newbies this board has an overload of information that can be problematic in this case.

Gratitude for your valuable contributions on the forum, @posabsolute; however, it is pertinent to note that perspectives unfavorable to ENEB's positions are outdated as we enter 2024. The contrast between the substantial successes of ENEB and the unproven value of opposing theories has shifted significantly since your initial posts in the larger thread.

ENEB may not be suitable for everyone, as with any educational institution. It demands an open-minded approach and the application of critical thinking, which aligns with the purpose of this forum. Undeniably, ENEB stands out as the swiftest and most cost-effective pathway to attain a degree recognized by numerous institutions for credit transfer.

Amidst this, why does the discourse persist, seemingly rooted in an antiquated notion that ENEB lacks merit?

I do not follow all of the ENEB stuff but I any time a “degree” can be bought via Groupon, I am a little hesitant. I have no issues with manner in which the degree is completed but allowing students to enroll via a Groupon deal is a little…weird.

[eLearner]

I do not follow all of the ENEB stuff but I any time a “degree” can be bought via Groupon, I am a little hesitant. I have no issues with manner in which the degree is completed but allowing students to enroll via a Groupon deal is a little…weird.

Hmmm, well, I would hope one would have much more concern with the manner in which the degree is completed. A 50 question test to get a degree is not acceptable and not respectable. The Groupon situation is just a little weird. The 50 question test for an entire Master's degree is objectively bogus, made even more bogus by the fact that the school makes no transcripted distinction between the degree being milled with a 50 question test, and the degree being earned through doing actual work - writing papers. It's just deceptive, and part of the reason the FCEs are going to blacklist ENEB and Isabel soon if they haven't already.

People will say "Oh, well, they still give you the option to take the "traditional" Master's course!" Yeah, but we all know that when you provide a shortcut, and you make it available in such a way that no one will even know the shortcut was taken, more people will take the shortcut rather than the way that requires real work.

I was a big supporter of this school, huge, and I get that some have the need to be undyingly positive no matter what the school does (not you, some others), but what ENEB is doing is downright detestable and I can't support it. I have to question the ethics of anyone who would see no problem with getting and listing a 50 question Master's degree, I'm appalled that Isabel is allowing this, and I'm shocked that the Spanish government hasn't put a stop to it all given how often they drop the hammer on schools for lesser matters than this. Maybe they just don't know about it yet. Maybe it's time someone contacted them to let them know. I have to believe they don't know, because given how they normally handle things, if they did know they might just shut down ENEB and suspend Isabel for a period, which at this point I think would be for the best. Yeah, I think maybe it's time someone make sure the government of Spain knows what's going on...