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clep3705 Wrote:This is an example of university in loco parentis. If you can get into two schools and do well at both, it's none of their business what you do outside their school.
What does a school honor code have to do with this? I've never seen anything from any school forbidding this and I have multiple degrees from multiple schools and have done something similar at the graduate level.
Some schools require you to tell them if you are seeking a concurrent degree, not all, and obviously if a degree has been conferred. Each school has different requirements. Screw 'em, you do you!
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Public colleges are subsidized and some don't wish to waste resources on people earning second, third, ... degrees. TESU, for example, will award a second bachelor's, but not more than that. The University of California system won't award second degrees at all.
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davewill Wrote:Public colleges are subsidized and some don't wish to waste resources on people earning second, third, ... degrees.
This doesn't make sense. It does not cost them any more to grant a degree than to deny it, unless the graduation fee is significantly less than the actual cost of graduation, which I find impossible to believe. It's probably some misguided attempt at equal opportunity, as in they likely don't want people seeking their 2nd, 3rd or 23rd degree filling classes and making it impossible for those seeking their 1st to enroll.
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clep3705 Wrote:This is an example of university in loco parentis. If you can get into two schools and do well at both, it's none of their business what you do outside their school.
What does a school honor code have to do with this? I've never seen anything from any school forbidding this and I have multiple degrees from multiple schools and have done something similar at the graduate level.
Quite a few schools I've seen require a student to attest that they are not pursuing a degree at another school at that time. The honor code would come into play if a student lies on that statement. We don't know the schools involved, so I'm just conjecturing, but I've seen this as a requirement in quite a few places. Either way, I fail to see the practical advantage that this provides.
What is the point of having multiple undergrad degrees in subjects so similar that the number of required new credits are difficult to find? Graduate studies usually allow some amount of transfer credits, and they don't typically care if they were previously rolled in a degree (varies by school).
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alzee Wrote:This doesn't make sense. It does not cost them any more to grant a degree than to deny it, unless the graduation fee is significantly less than the actual cost of graduation, which I find impossible to believe. It's probably some misguided attempt at equal opportunity, as in they likely don't want people seeking their 2nd, 3rd or 23rd degree filling classes and making it impossible for those seeking their 1st to enroll.
The University of California has academic residency requirements that is effectively 24 credits and two terms after you become a senior. You can't transfer the credits from outside. Like you said, they don't want to take a seat away from someone with no degrees. Furthermore, there is the issue of the taxpayer subsidizing additional degrees.
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TrailRunr Wrote:The University of California has academic residency requirements that is effectively 24 credits and two terms after you become a senior. You can't transfer the credits from outside. Like you said, they don't want to take a seat away from someone with no degrees. Furthermore, there is the issue of the taxpayer subsidizing additional degrees.
From a resources or subsidy standpoint it still makes no sense. They do not bar you from attending, and they do not bar you from racking up hundreds or even thousands of credits. They simply say that no matter how many hours/credits you accumulate, they won't confer a 2nd (or 3rd, or whichever depending on the school) degree.
There's not really a logically defensible reason for the restriction. If they also refused to allow non-degree-seeking students to attend courses, preventing them from occupying seats and increasing general costs, that would be something else.
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alzee Wrote:From a resources or subsidy standpoint it still makes no sense. They do not bar you from attending, and they do not bar you from racking up hundreds or even thousands of credits. They simply say that no matter how many hours/credits you accumulate, they won't confer a 2nd (or 3rd, or whichever depending on the school) degree.
There's not really a logically defensible reason for the restriction. If they also refused to allow non-degree-seeking students to attend courses, preventing them from occupying seats and increasing general costs, that would be something else.
Actually, I think the UC system may do that. It's hard to get in, and they don't let just anyone come in and take courses. So they, in particular, probably are doing this exact thing (keeping spots open for those seeking a 1st degree).
Not sure about other schools though.
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alzee Wrote:From a resources or subsidy standpoint it still makes no sense. They do not bar you from attending,
Yes, they will bar you from attending.
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Places like UCLA and UC Berkeley turn down most of their high school applicants. Around 80K - 90K applicants try for the around 15K admit spots. We're talking about admit rates somewhere down in the 15% range. Why should someone who already has a degree take a spot away from a high schooler?
Summer sessions at UC are open access, but they won't let you earn a degree just using summer session courses.
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