WES Canada recognizes ENEB/Isabel

[ecdw94]

@ecdw94
if you check my previous posts, you'll see the responses I got from 3-4 people on linkedin who received an evaluation from WES for ENEB.
some of them included ENEB as the degree granting institution, and others used Isabel.
"ENEB does not award a diploma anyway" what do you mean?

Is it on the same thread?

ENEB does not award the masters degree, but UC1 does? Maybe I am confusing things.  I just came across this thread where it seems like we are really §")("§ in regards to ENEB and Canada. And I literally bought the ENEB course 30 Minutes before reading that. I guess this is official confirmation that WES CA will not evaluate ENEB/UC1 favorably.

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@ecdw94
if you check my previous posts, you'll see the responses I got from 3-4 people on linkedin who received an evaluation from WES for ENEB.
some of them included ENEB as the degree granting institution, and others used Isabel.
"ENEB does not award a diploma anyway" what do you mean?

Yep, your post https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid387155 , one of the 3-4 people said that he put "Isabel...." as university.

[nykorn]

A friendly reminder that Isabel itself also directly gives out degrees. So a person with an Isabel WES badge can be completely unrelated to ENEB.

WES does not always give the same result for the same degree or same school every time. I specifically googled WES and found out that both WES Canada and WES USA tend to not give favorable results for any business school, business major or business subject (such as Finances) even if they come from accredited universities. In the past few years they have also stopped accepting some accreditations related to either business schools, distance learning, or India - that includes DEAC, which is a major player (DEAC is a US accreditor, and US states accept DEAC for licensing purposes). I wonder if this is just related to the high number of people majoring in business topics, so it's natural to see more complaints by them as more of them have applied to FCEs in the first place, or if it's international politics.

I read a lot of stuff like a person's 3 year European Bachelor's in Hospitality got evaluated as a "72 credit Bachelor's", a person's 2 year MBA got evaluated as a "1 year Bachelor's" and so on. I didn't specifically search for business/hospitality majors but as that was the majority of the complaints I saw. I also found people whose degrees got a different result just 1-2 years after someone else had gotten their result.

All is not lost. I would definitely look into using a different evaluator - most of the other ones are 1/3rd of the cost of WES anyways. Strict employers and schools want a NACES member (which Validential isn't) for the US, I don't know about Canada. I'll send mine to a new NACES evaluator that no one seems to have tried before, after I get my digital diplomas.

[ecdw94]

A friendly reminder that Isabel itself also directly gives out degrees. So a person with an Isabel WES badge can be completely unrelated to ENEB.

WES does not always give the same result for the same degree or same school every time. I specifically googled WES and found out that both WES Canada and WES USA tend to not give favorable results for any business school, business major or business subject (such as Finances) even if they come from accredited universities. In the past few years they have also stopped accepting some accreditations related to either business schools, distance learning, or India - that includes DEAC, which is a major player (DEAC is a US accreditor, and US states accept DEAC for licensing purposes). I wonder if this is just related to the high number of people majoring in business topics, so it's natural to see more complaints by them as more of them have applied to FCEs in the first place, or if it's international politics.

I read a lot of stuff like a person's 3 year European Bachelor's in Hospitality got evaluated as a "72 credit Bachelor's", a person's 2 year MBA got evaluated as a "1 year Bachelor's" and so on. I didn't specifically search for business/hospitality majors but as that was the majority of the complaints I saw. I also found people whose degrees got a different result just 1-2 years after someone else had gotten their result.

All is not lost. I would definitely look into using a different evaluator - most of the other ones are 1/3rd of the cost of WES anyways. Strict employers and schools want a NACES member (which Validential isn't) for the US, I don't know about Canada. I'll send mine to a new NACES evaluator that no one seems to have tried before, after I get my digital diplomas.

The problem is, Canada accepts only some designated organizations  for immigration purposes. I think there are 7 or 8 and WES is the only NACES member in that list (maybe another one too, I checked some randomly).

i might run out and spend a lot of money before I find a favorable valuation , i mean , as long as i find one it is okay xD

[Nemfis]

A friendly reminder that Isabel itself also directly gives out degrees. So a person with an Isabel WES badge can be completely unrelated to ENEB.

WES does not always give the same result for the same degree or same school every time. I specifically googled WES and found out that both WES Canada and WES USA tend to not give favorable results for any business school, business major or business subject (such as Finances) even if they come from accredited universities. In the past few years they have also stopped accepting some accreditations related to either business schools, distance learning, or India - that includes DEAC, which is a major player (DEAC is a US accreditor, and US states accept DEAC for licensing purposes). I wonder if this is just related to the high number of people majoring in business topics, so it's natural to see more complaints by them as more of them have applied to FCEs in the first place, or if it's international politics.

I read a lot of stuff like a person's 3 year European Bachelor's in Hospitality got evaluated as a "72 credit Bachelor's", a person's 2 year MBA got evaluated as a "1 year Bachelor's" and so on. I didn't specifically search for business/hospitality majors but as that was the majority of the complaints I saw. I also found people whose degrees got a different result just 1-2 years after someone else had gotten their result.

All is not lost. I would definitely look into using a different evaluator - most of the other ones are 1/3rd of the cost of WES anyways. Strict employers and schools want a NACES member (which Validential isn't) for the US, I don't know about Canada. I'll send mine to a new NACES evaluator that no one seems to have tried before, after I get my digital diplomas.

The problem is, Canada accepts only some designated organizations  for immigration purposes. I think there are 7 or 8 and WES is the only NACES member in that list (maybe another one too, I checked some randomly).

i might run out and spend a lot of money before I find a favorable valuation , i mean , as long as i find one it is okay xD

Basically, Canada has its own NACES, which is called Alliance of Credential Evaluation Services of Canada (ACESC) - https://canalliance.org/en/, and they are working under the guidance and policies of the Canadian Information Centre for International Credentials (CICIC) - https://www.cicic.ca/. 

Considering all 6 members of ACESC are working under the same guidelines - it's sometimes tricky to get an evaluation from a different evaluator when you have been rejected by one of them. From what I heard, the most strict is ICAS (doing FCEs for Ontario colleges, uni and schools) and WES, respectively, and sometimes UoT and IQAS (Alberta) are more favourable, especially with some Indian Master's, which are evaluated as PG Diploma or as unaccredited at all by WES. IDK how it will work with UI1, though.

[arad]

@ecdw94
if you check my previous posts, you'll see the responses I got from 3-4 people on linkedin who received an evaluation from WES for ENEB.
some of them included ENEB as the degree granting institution, and others used Isabel.
"ENEB does not award a diploma anyway" what do you mean?

Is it on the same thread?

ENEB does not award the masters degree, but UC1 does? Maybe I am confusing things.  I just came across this thread where it seems like we are really §")("§ in regards to ENEB and Canada. And I literally bought the ENEB course 30 Minutes before reading that. I guess this is official confirmation that WES CA will not evaluate ENEB/UC1 favorably.

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@ecdw94
if you check my previous posts, you'll see the responses I got from 3-4 people on linkedin who received an evaluation from WES for ENEB.
some of them included ENEB as the degree granting institution, and others used Isabel.
"ENEB does not award a diploma anyway" what do you mean?

Yep, your post https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid387155 , one of the 3-4 people said that he put "Isabel...." as university.

Only ENEB awards the degree/diploma. The UI1 "diploma" is just a document that certifies your ENEB degree.
One person studied at Structuralia, but received an Evaluation for Universidad Isabel from WES Canada.

[nykorn]

...The problem is, Canada accepts only some designated organizations  for immigration purposes. I think there are 7 or 8 and WES is the only NACES member in that list (maybe another one too, I checked some randomly)....

...Considering all 6 members of ACESC are working under the same guidelines...

Yeah, there is the difference. US immigration and state licencing services also only accept certain designated organizations, but those organizations are not all working under the same guidelines. As far as I read you can't use a Canadian evaluation for US immigration or anything like that either, but I'm hoping using an American one for Japanese immigration will somehow help speed up the visa process (it took over 3 months last time and I almost got fired because my visa was taking so long).

Before trying every evaluator, calculate the cost of all those evaluation attempts versus getting a top-up year from the UK or transferring in to the one-year MBA at University of the People or something.

I'm very tired right now so might have read wrong, but it looks like according to this link the US gov accepts NACES and AICES member evaluations for federal positions as well as department of education (teacher) licenses. So they might accept AICES for immigration as well.

[ecdw94]

...The problem is, Canada accepts only some designated organizations  for immigration purposes. I think there are 7 or 8 and WES is the only NACES member in that list (maybe another one too, I checked some randomly)....

...Considering all 6 members of ACESC are working under the same guidelines...

Yeah, there is the difference. US immigration and state licencing services also only accept certain designated organizations, but those organizations are not all working under the same guidelines. As far as I read you can't use a Canadian evaluation for US immigration or anything like that either, but I'm hoping using an American one for Japanese immigration will somehow help speed up the visa process (it took over 3 months last time and I almost got fired because my visa was taking so long).

Before trying every evaluator, calculate the cost of all those evaluation attempts versus getting a top-up year from the UK or transferring in to the one-year MBA at University of the People or something.

I'm very tired right now so might have read wrong, but it looks like according to this link the US gov accepts NACES and AICES member evaluations for federal positions as well as department of education (teacher) licenses. So they might accept AICES for immigration as well.

WES Canada does not recognize UoPeople MBA. UK Top-up costs about $5000. way too much. We in europe would need to save for 3-4 years to get that kind of money.

[posabsolute]

@Xin, just curious: are you saying you know of people who tried to get it evaluated by WES Canada and got rejected recently, or you think, based on Spain's changes, that it will be rejected?

[ecdw94]

@Xin, just curious: are you saying you know of people who tried to get it evaluated by WES Canada and got rejected recently, or you think, based on Spain's changes, that it will be rejected?

I am curious too. Because its only some kind of china-spain relationship so far. And they are still called ECTS, so... I have registered for ENEB and I'll try to finish it up as fast as possible. And I'll try my luck to get it evaluated by WES Canada. If that does not work out, well UMPI MAOL is still a choice. Its 8x more expensive though if you try to do it in 2 sessions. Not sure if this is even possible, but if you transfer credits maybe it is?

[nykorn]

WES Canada does not recognize UoPeople MBA. UK Top-up costs about $5000. way too much. We in europe would need to save for 3-4 years to get that kind of money.

Ah, sorry about that. $5,000 is not cheap to me either, but I am from North Europe, where the price of living is more expensive and the government also gives "grant" money of about $350 a month to anyone studying at a real university.

According to Spanish Law, you can transfer up to 15(?) credits from a titulo propio to a titulo oficial. I tried searching for any school in Spain that would actually accept titulo propio credits and couldn't find one (but I don't know Spanish). Unfortunately it looks like it may be time to start over and just go to a local university or another foreign university online which is cheaper than $5,000 - you as a European resident or citizen can take courses from Sweden (free), Norway ($100 USD a year), Iceland ($546/year - application fee is also waived for European citizens), I think Finland is also free or cheap, etc. They offer online courses in English with no required physical meetings, and this includes Business Administration courses.

You can register for courses from any university in Sweden including online courses, at http://www.universityadmissions.se. Just click on "filter - via distance - 0 meetings" (0 meetings means no physical meetings, it doesn't guarantee there are no required online lectures). Linnéuniversitetet, Högskolan i Gävle and Lunds Universitet are three examples of schools offering online courses in Marketing, Statistics, Consumer Behaviour etc - which could add up to a degree in Business Administration or something else (you can usually mix courses from several different schools to get your degree).
The main university in Iceland is https://english.hi.is/
A portal for courses in English from Norway is https://studyinnorway.no/

You can't normally mix courses between Sweden, Iceland and Norway (they don't transfer) but you can often transfer courses between Finland and Sweden. I don't know how it works but we had students doing that during my Bachelor's as not enough courses in the subject were actually offered at Finnish schools, they took around 3 at ours and graduated from Finland, not our school. I would not recommend it since there is more potential for something to go wrong, but if it's necessary it should be possible (like, for example, it might somehow be possible to take both full-time studies in Sweden and full-time studies in Finland then transfer the courses to one or the other school to graduate super fast - I am not sure if it is humanly possible but it might be theoretically possible).

In the case of Sweden, all you need to do is upload proof of European residency or citizenship to get the tuition automatically waivered. In the case of Iceland and Norway, non-citizens pay the same price as citizens so there is no need, but (for anyone reading this not from Europe) it looks like the Norwegian government is proposing a change to that so it may not last much longer.