Three-Year Bachelor's Degrees and DEI Requirements

[Duneranger]

Because some people want racism, classism, and sexism to remain in the forefront and not learn to become better people? If you can't understand your coworkers point of view because they are from a different race, class, or gender then how to build a relationship as a team? Working well with others especially those who are different than you is skill that this nation desperately needs.

There’s a stark difference between encouraging these ideals of being a good person (and recognizing/respecting differences) versus shoving them down your throat by force via mandatory classes or lectures. 

This is what I had to experience and it just made me jaded if anything. 

Let’s not muddy the waters.

[ss20ts]

Yet somehow everyone survives English 101. That's shoved down everyone's throat. The purpose of diversity courses is to teach you that your own little bubble is not the only little bubble in the world and to open your mind to others. Maybe if people were taught about other cultures they would also learn to be respectful. When you have not experienced hardships in life due to others restricting your access, it's hard to see their viewpoint. Clearly someone learned nothing from the class so it failed them unfortunately.

[NotJoeBiden]

Three-Year Bachelor's Degrees Could Become the Standard—If Accreditors Allow It (Reason)

Last week, Johnson & Wales University (JWU) in Rhode Island announced the launch of the nation's first in-person, three-year bachelor's degree programs. While other institutions already offer three-year bachelor's degrees, these programs are either exclusively online or require 120 credit hours. JWU students will be able to complete a degree in computer science, criminal justice, graphic design, and hospitality management within 90 to 96 credit hours. 

The launch of JWU's program follows a recent wave of support for similar initiatives across the country. In March, the Utah Board of Higher Education authorized state colleges to explore creating three-year bachelor's degrees. That same month, Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb signed a law requiring each of the state's public four-year colleges to review their bachelor's degree programs to determine whether they could be completed in three years. [...]

Critics of three-year degrees have raised concerns that these programs will reduce interest in liberal arts courses, which may have personal value for students and faculty but offer little use in the job market. Kenneth Mash, the President of the Association of Pennsylvania State College and University Faculties, told Stateline that he has "visceral disdain for the idea" because of the potential it has in creating a two-tiered system where only wealthy students have the privilege of receiving a well-rounded four-year education.

Nothing can be a bigger waste of time than taking most Liberal Arts courses, especially when it is not your choice but required (DEI, Diversity, etc..). With all this material for these courses free on the Internet I have no idea how anyone would be able to keep up with the "Rich"! 

I was never required to take classes on DEI or diversity as part of my liberal arts electives.

Do you know what these words even mean? Last time I saw your post you were claiming the free 100 million learners at Thunderbird was sexist DEI because they wanted to educate women.

I said it was sexist because they were stating that 70% of those learners would be women which is not a goal any college management program should shoot for. It shows the program has a sexist agenda.

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Forced DEI/Diversity classes are woke garbage but I do find value in a well rounded education.

I went to a private liberal arts college for my first degree where we had to take comparative religions, philosophy, anthropology and history type classes. All useful imo.

Where are these supposed DEI/Diversity classes you all speak of? Seems like you both hate them, yet nobody so far has ever taken them…

I think you are spending too much time on these forums...

Two-thirds of US colleges, universities require DEI classes to graduate: report

Most American colleges and universities require the completion of courses that emphasize Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI)-related topics to graduate, according to a new report surveying public and private institutions.

Speech First, a group advocating for First Amendment rights on US campuses, released an investigation on Thursday that found 165 of 248 selected institutions — from American University to Williams College — mandate DEI-related classes to meet general education requirements.

The classes “place students into identarian groupings based on racial, sexual, and political characteristics to create a rigid framework amongst students where they only see each other as either the ‘oppressor’ or the ‘oppressed,’” the executive summary of the 33-page report states.

Speech First looked for trainings and courses that included an “anti-racist” approach, which often denounces “whiteness” or “white supremacy,” as well as the existence of forced “DEI Statements” in which faculty pledge to promote the ideology if hired.

The group also searched for the use of terms like “intersectionality,” “toxic masculinity,” “critical gender theory,” “ableism,” “implicit bias,” “systemic racism” and “social justice.” [...]

Both Harvard and UNC made the Speech First list, along with Cornell, Dartmouth, and Princeton of the Ivy League.

Prominent flagship state schools that made the list include the universities of Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Notable private institutions shamed by Speech First included Boston College, Brandeis, Carnegie Mellon, Duke, Fordham, Georgetown, MIT, Purdue, Syracuse, Vassar and Wellesley. [...]

“But American universities are increasingly institutionally stacking the deck by requiring students to sit through classes that, rather than impart knowledge or build saleable skills, infuse an ideological worldview that is in many instances hostile to key tenets of the American way of life,” she added.

“Taxpayers may well wonder why they subsidize academic institutions that require training in a hostile ideology as a graduation requirement.”

Thankfully some states are destroying DEI once and for all.

So, according to that article, denouncing white supremacy is DEI. You want white supremacy taught in a positive light?

[davewill]

Please stop feeding the troll. You're all just derailing a very interesting conversation about three year degrees and their usefulness.

[Duneranger]

Yet somehow everyone survives English 101. That's shoved down everyone's throat. The purpose of diversity courses is to teach you that your own little bubble is not the only little bubble in the world and to open your mind to others. Maybe if people were taught about other cultures they would also learn to be respectful. When you have not experienced hardships in life due to others restricting your access, it's hard to see their viewpoint. Clearly someone learned nothing from the class so it failed them unfortunately.

Again, all nuance is absolutely lost. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.

[Jonathan Whatley]

This thread has been both about three-year bachelor's and about debating DEI requirements from the original post on down. I retitled the thread to reflect its contents.

[NotJoeBiden]

I think the discussion here is what the usefulness of that one extra year of electives is.

I see alot of purpose in educating people beyond just what their specific major in college, but I understand that comes at an additional cost.

The general tone of this thread attacking liberal arts further shows how much people miss the importance of these classes in a well rounded education.

At the end of the day, college is unaffordable and I see any way to increase accessibility and decrease cost as a benefit to everyone. In a future where college is more affordable and people are not overworked, I do think requiring electives is an overall good thing.

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This thread has been both about three-year bachelor's and about debating DEI requirements from the original post on down. I retitled the thread to reflect its contents.

I will note that there isn’t really a DEI requirement at colleges.

The linked paper describes DEI by a broader definition than is generally accepted. As I pointed out, it says any critique of white supremacy is classified as DEI. I believe that idea should be critiqued as it is harmful, but it does not necessarily fall under the field of DEI.

[Vle045]

These anti-DEI people are the problem with society and how a garbage human just won the US presidency.

[Duneranger]

These anti-DEI people are the problem with society and how a garbage human just won the US presidency.

/yawn

The hyperbole and virtue signal grandstanding is astounding.

DEI policies/departments are collapsing in the corporate world right and left…wonder why.

People like you who push and push this narrative are shocked when people push back. 

Keep making these mistakes when 2028 comes.

[Stonybeach]

Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs applies to so many things in life. Food, shelter and safety are the foundation of all human needs. The election results are a direct reflection of those needs not being met. Just a thought.