Some doubts about pierpont bog degree

[Username0101]

I have some doubts about Pierpont's bog degree Is the pierpont website out of date or is the degreeforum wiki out of date? 

https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/
XPre-Application 
Obtain 12 (or more) RA credits from anywhere. They need not be in any particular area so long as they are RA. If you do not currently have 12 RA credits, check local community colleges, Arizona State University Universal Learner, or TEL Learning for options. It is recommended that you choose courses that will assist you with a future Bachelor's degreeX. [As of right now, this requirement can be met by Sophia courses and at least 1 graded RA credit. This could change at any time]

Sophia Equivalencies Edit Sophia.org is a good way to fill out your General Education requirements for Pierpont. The BOG degree requires 3 credits in communications, 6 credits in math/science, 3 credits in social sciences, and 3 credits in computer literacy for a total of 15 credits. Any courses not listed below are brought into Pierpont as "Free Electives"; they fulfill the 60-credit requirement but may or may not fulfill the specific GE requirements. 

https://catalog.pierpont.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=2&poid=94&returnto=59 
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Furthermore, the BOG program at Pierpont Community & Technical College welcomes students who have completed all required 60 credits at other colleges and universities but who are unable, for whatever reason, to complete those particular programs. No additional coursework will be required through Pierpont, provided that at least 12 of the required 60 credits were completed through “regionally accredited” colleges. 

Component I - General Education 21 SEM. HRS * Communications 6 hr(s). Mathematics/Science 6 hr(s). Social Sciences 6 hr(s). Computer Literacy 3 hr(s). 


 First
1 RA credit from a regional university works or needs 12 RA credits from a regional university?

Second
3 credits in communications, 6 credits in math/science, 3 credits in social sciences, and 3 credits in computer literacy for a total of 15 credits.
OR 
21 SEM. HRS * 
Communications 6 hr(s). Mathematics/Science 6 hr(s). Social Sciences 6 hr(s). Computer Literacy 3 hr(s). ?

Also 
Does Macroeconomics still work like ECON 2201? Does Visual Communication works  as a general communication requirement, if so is it listed as com2200? ? Can I use it as the only credit course in General Education - communication? 

[rachel83az]

As of right now, Sophia is treated like RA credit by Pierpont. This may change at any moment. Pierpont does still require at least 1 GRADED RA credit. If this status changes, the wiki will be updated.

They also only require the 15 gen eds and 45 electives for a total of 60 credits. Multiple students have obtained a Pierpont degree recently and reported that this works. The Pierpont site did, for some time, reflect this. I'm not sure if you've accidentally pulled up an old catalog page or if their recent site updates have accidentally linked to an old catalog page.

Macroecon should still work as ECON 2201. Visual Communication does work as a Communication requirement and can be the only Communications credit listed on the degree.

Sophia courses don't need to come in as EXACTLY what is listed on that catalog page to count. Nancy Parks has some leeway in determining if you've met degree requirements. If the course name says "Communications", it should count toward the Communication requirement - no matter what kind. If the course name LOOKS like it's a social science, it should count. Etc.

Follow the wiki. Nobody has yet reported any serious issues with the courses listed there.

[Username0101]

As of right now, Sophia is treated like RA credit by Pierpont. This may change at any moment. Pierpont does still require at least 1 GRADED RA credit. If this status changes, the wiki will be updated.

They also only require the 15 gen eds and 45 electives for a total of 60 credits. Multiple students have obtained a Pierpont degree recently and reported that this works. The Pierpont site did, for some time, reflect this. I'm not sure if you've accidentally pulled up an old catalog page or if their recent site updates have accidentally linked to an old catalog page.

Macroecon should still work as ECON 2201. Visual Communication does work as a Communication requirement and can be the only Communications credit listed on the degree.

Sophia courses don't need to come in as EXACTLY what is listed on that catalog page to count. Nancy Parks has some leeway in determining if you've met degree requirements. If the course name says "Communications", it should count toward the Communication requirement - no matter what kind. If the course name LOOKS like it's a social science, it should count. Etc.

Follow the wiki. Nobody has yet reported any serious issues with the courses listed there.

does sophia's course without touchstone but with milestone work as graded RA? where on the pierpont website do i check if sophia still works as graded RA? I'm asking because I'm only going to apply in the winter of 2023-2024

[rachel83az]

Any Sophia course currently counts as "RA". It's kind of weird because no other school does this at all.

Pierpont says this NOWHERE. You can't ask; that might ruin it for everyone else. You simply keep an eye on the forum here to confirm that the status hasn't changed. If/when it changes, there will be discussion of this in the forum.

[Kab]

"does sophia's course without touchstone but with milestone work as graded RA?"
You need to have the course in the transcript and for that has to be finished. To finish a course you need to complete all of its parts. If the course only has milestone or if it has milestones and touchstones, all the parts have to be done, then the course is finished and approved as finished in a transcript.
Each course have different evaluations and over time this have changed. Meaning that touchstones appeared gradually, before where only milestones. Example of introduction to psychology where in the past was only several milestones and now also has touchstones.

[Username0101]

How do you want that counts a Sophia course that you did not finish? You need to have the course in the transcript and for that has to be finished.
To finish a course you need to complete all of its parts.

I’m not a native English speaker so I guess my English wasn’t clear

I mean Sophia courses that doesn’t have a touchstone
Like environmental science
I mean introduction to psychology have 3 touchstone
And environmental science course have 0 touchstone 
So I was wandering if course like  environmental science counts as GRADED RA since doesn’t have touchstone

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Any Sophia course currently counts as "RA". It's kind of weird because no other school does this at all.

Pierpont says this NOWHERE. You can't ask; that might ruin it for everyone else. You simply keep an eye on the forum here to confirm that the status hasn't changed. If/when it changes, there will be discussion of this in the forum.

Any Sophia course counts as GRADED RA even the one with zero touchstone counts as GRADED?

[rachel83az]

No. No Sophia course counts as graded RA at Pierpont. Only pass/fail.

The $25 ASU course is the fastest & cheapest way to meet the graded RA requirement right now.

[Kab]

Also, for the Pierpont degree you need to be residing in the US or be a US citizen as far as I know.

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Several times has been posted in the forums this requirement. I do not know if they ask you social security number or what proof.
Also in the past was said that was only possible as a first degree. Appears that some people got it after a Bachelors, but really do not know how. Just in case you know the possible limitations.

[Tswede]

Also, for the Pierpont degree you need to be residing in the US or be a US citizen as far as I know.

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Several times has been posted in the forums this requirement. I do not know if they ask you social security number or what proof.
Also in the past was said that was only possible as a first degree. Appears that some people got it after a Bachelors, but really do not know how.   Just in case you know the possible limitations.

I am a dual citizen, with my early education in my home country.  Ms. Parks noticed my prior education and asked about my citizenship and residency status.  I told her my whole story of how I had moved to the US, why and that I was a legal resident for x number of years and then became a citizen and that was sufficient enough "proof".  It is meant for legal residents in the US, possibly for citizens.  I can't say, since I have been both.  But no actual proof was requested of me.  

She's very friendly and accessible, I would suggest talking to her.

[bjcheung77]

@Username0101, Welcome to the board, you really should fill in the template and last post addendum so we know exactly what you're trying to do. Do not deviate from the WIKI or template as it is most updated, as we regularly do updates to each and every one of those pages, you're just 'overthinking' too much in regards to one simple thing... It even has this on the page and crossing the info before it: "As of right now, this requirement can be met by Sophia courses and at least 1 graded RA credit. This could change at any time."