ENEB Master Thread

[rachel83az]

Sounds like a big unnecessary circle where you still end up with the same thing at the end of the day…. Just each school gets money from you to print a piece of paper.  So you earned a propio…. MCA gives you another paper that says…. Yup, it’s a propio…. Then UCAM says yup, we agree…. It’s a propio.   And Isabel I is there saying…. Yes… we told you from the start that it’s a propio.    

This whole thing sounds more and more convoluted by the day.

The problem is that Isabel I doesn't provide transcripts to go with the diploma. That can be a bit problematic when it comes to getting a degree evaluated in the US. If UCAM does provide transcripts, that's a whole different ball of wax. But we don't know for sure yet if UCAM provides transcripts or if they expect you to use MCA's or ENEB's or what.

[eLearner]

Sounds like a big unnecessary circle where you still end up with the same thing at the end of the day…. Just each school gets money from you to print a piece of paper.  So you earned a propio…. MCA gives you another paper that says…. Yup, it’s a propio…. Then UCAM says yup, we agree…. It’s a propio.   And Isabel I is there saying…. Yes… we told you from the start that it’s a propio.    

This whole thing sounds more and more convoluted by the day.

Hahahaha!

[cacoleman1983]

I will keep everyone updated on some research I am doing about UCAM as it relates to possible validation of ENEB/Isabel I.   I have contacted them regarding MCA Business School's validation offer.   We know that MCA Business School's validation diploma is a worthless piece of paper but if UCAM is a partner with them, it may be possible to have the validated Masters issued as an additional propio or official through UCAM.

FYI...  The MCA Business School's validation does allow for those who decide to get it after graduating from one of the Master's programs in ENEB to request a Master Titulo Propio diploma from UCAM which means that the MCA validation diploma is affectively a Master's "own" degree if you decide to go this route.   I don't know if MCA Business School validation recipients even knew this but based on the email reply I just received from UCAM,  you can receive UCAM's own degree since MCA Business School is one of their partners.  I guess it wouldn't be a total waste of money since you actually can get an additional degree without additional coursework awarded from a school with a higher ranking than Isabel I.  

Email from Corporate Partners Unit UCAM:

Dear Carlton,


Thank you for your email. 

Indeed we have an agreement with MCA SCHOOL. You can find more information here: https://www.ucam.edu/estudios/partners/mca-school

These programs are not offered by UCAM University, they are 100% offered through our partner institution. UCAM University is only ACCREDITING the program, which means once you finish your program successfully, UCAM will award you with the degree (Título Propio) according to Article 34 of the Organic Law of Spanish Universities 6/2001, December 21st. in the version of the “Organic Law of 4/2007, April 12th.

For questions regarding the enrollment, program schedule, program content, academic staff, validations, equivalencies, etc…, you should contact with our collaborating partner.

Best regards,

UCAM Universidad Católica San Antonio de Murcia

Sounds like a big unnecessary circle where you still end up with the same thing at the end of the day…. Just each school gets money from you to print a piece of paper.  So you earned a propio…. MCA gives you another paper that says…. Yup, it’s a propio…. Then UCAM says yup, we agree…. It’s a propio.   And Isabel I is there saying…. Yes… we told you from the start that it’s a propio.    

This whole thing sounds more and more convoluted by the day.

I know right?!   I was trying to poke some holes in it to see if there was any added benefit when I saw the UCAM collaboration.  The only thing I could think of is that you get an additional Propio degree on top of the other Propio degree(s) already issued through Universidad Isabel I.    Not that it makes much difference,   but I wanted to see the possibility of a NACES evaluator giving it a Master's equivalent from a regionally accredited institution.   More than likely,   they would give it the same as Universidad Isabel I or maybe with a UCAM transcript,  a Master's equivalent from a regionally accredited institution / non-accredited program equivalent.    I was thinking about testing the MCA/UCAM thing out when I finish the ENEB program if it is even offered by the time I start and finish the program.

[nykorn]

Registration error was fixed within 24 hours on a business day after I clicked "All Courses", clicked on Hotel/Tourism, screenshotted and Emailed proof I hadn't been registered to the course.

The Hotel Management & Tourism Master's course text is much more concise, shorter and easier to follow than the MBA's text so far. This course is more focused on hotels from the, well, Manager or Owner's point of view. So some of the sections will overlap a bit with the general Business Management course and it suddenly makes a lot more sense why you can get a MBA plus this degree. General "good for any manager to know" topics include HR, PR, SEO, Marketing, Sales, Hiring, Team Motivation, Project Leading, Taxes, Accounting, Coaching, NLP, Corporate Responsibility etc. Very clearly hotel-specific ones include Catering, Food Safety, Maintenance and the recorded lectures which are similar to the MBA topic ones but are specifically targeting hotels (instead of "Branding" it's "Hotel Branding" etc). Any laws mentioned have a focus on Spain's laws.

In contrast, I studied Hotels & Tourism at trade school in another EU country. Trade school has a focus on, instead of a management or owner position, an entry level worker position and more general hotel history - history of hotels and tourism worldwide, differences between the hotel industry across the world, fire safety laws, alcohol serving laws, international hotel vocabulary (aka both the local language, English, and essentially French), how to create tour packages, how to identify customer types and how to handle them, "marketing" in terms of window displays and laws about showing price tags etc. Some areas overlap with this MA, such as Business Accounting, Corporate Responsibility and Food Safety. Also Spain's hotel laws are different from that other EU country's laws.

As for the comments directed at me, I'm already getting an MA at UoPeople in another subject (UoPeople only allows one degree per level) which ENEB doesn't offer, and I'm really at ENEB for the Hotel degree, the MBA is just a bonus. For my purposes I need an actual degree (Saylor doesn't seem to have them?), hiring managers here as well as companies offering visas to abroad are not looking for individual courses or certificates.

HAU seems like it could be good, but as I am a European citizen, instead of paying $10,000 to HAU or elsewhere for a "better" MBA I could theoretically instead pay this $200 to ENEB, struggle through to complete the MBA there (I wouldn't need a good grade, just "any passing grade"), then use the ENEB MBA as a workaround to become eligible for a "better" MBA elsewhere for free in Europe, as I don't have a BA in Business Management or any related topic so am not currently eligible for an MA in it in a "for free" country. I am very glad that ENEB and UoPeople both basically accept anyone of any undergraduate degree to any program, because I made the silly mistake of getting an undergraduate degree in a topic that does not qualify me for any MA whatsoever in most schools. Before I found these schools I honestly considered getting a second BA just to be eligible for an MA somewhere.

[cacoleman1983]

If UCAM give you the transcript and degree in its own name it can be interesting for some people. The transcript here is the key.

Reply from UCAM this morning:

Dear Carlton,


Yes, we offer the possibility to apply for both a diploma and transcripts for the Tititulos Propios degrees based on the information provied by our collaborating partner. However, the application should be presented by your center. Please knidly contact with  MCA SCHOOL to know the price and how to proceed.

Best regards,

Corporate Partners  

UCAM Universidad Católica San Antonio de Murcia

[nykorn]

Took first mock test from Hotel/Tourism Master's. 90% correct. Definitely easier to follow than the MBA curriculum on both the test questions and the curriculum text itself, at least in my opinion.

Have already found Housekeeping Manager (as we call it here, Head Housekeeper) job ads at Merriott Hotels Japan etc which would give a work visa and accept a 2-year degree in either Business Management or Hotels/Housekeeping. That 2 year degree is half just for visa purposes (legal minimum of degree length). In a few years when I'm applying for jobs over there with these degrees I'll try to remember about this thread and report back if anyone accepted the dual 1-year degrees in lieu of one 2-year degree.

[cacoleman1983]

Do you get access to every course when you enroll at ENEB or just the courses applied to your chosen degree? For the exam option, do they give access to course content as well or just the exam?

[Thorne]

If UCAM give you the transcript and degree in its own name it can be interesting for some people. The transcript here is the key.

Reply from UCAM this morning:

Dear Carlton,


Yes, we offer the possibility to apply for both a diploma and transcripts for the Tititulos Propios degrees based on the information provied by our collaborating partner. However, the application should be presented by your center. Please knidly contact with  MCA SCHOOL to know the price and how to proceed.

Best regards,

Corporate Partners  

UCAM Universidad Católica San Antonio de Murcia

Now to find if MCA will issue a transcript, then if they'll ask UCAM for a transcript.

This is potentially wonderful news

[nykorn]

Do you get access to every course when you enroll at ENEB or just the courses applied to your chosen degree?   For the exam option, do they give access to course content as well or just the exam?

Only the courses included in your chosen degree. Haven't received an option for testing out.

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Do you get access to every course when you enroll at ENEB or just the courses applied to your chosen degree?   For the exam option, do they give access to course content as well or just the exam?

Only access to the courses you paid for.

You might like this thread, if you combine courses in the right way you can automatically get a third MA because you'll have already completed the modules. In that case you still need to pay for each course. https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid318664

[Kalas]

Do you get access to every course when you enroll at ENEB or just the courses applied to your chosen degree? For the exam option, do they give access to course content as well or just the exam?

Once you log in and go to your courses there is a section for each degree. Every course that is part of that degree has a section under it, which is where you will find the textbook, quizzes and other resources. Courses that are part of multiple degrees are listed under each degree. However, you only have to write the essay associated with each course one time (that is the only thing that counts for your grade) and get credit for completing that course across all ENEB degrees. If going the comprehensive exam route I assume you will be tested on those subjects on every degree.

About 100 pages back somebody made a spreadsheet showing which courses were required for each degree. After you get a few degrees done it's possible to get another master's with just a couple classes. You can even get 2 or 3 degrees with no additional work if you plan it properly. They still charge you the same price to issue the degree, even if you aren't actually taking more classes. Like I said awhile back, you never know what you might want to transfer somewhere for something someday and it's hard to argue with the value proposition of roughly $20 per credit.