ENEB Master Thread

[Kab]

I read that somebody called not official the itulos propios. I do not understand the basis for that. Official stating of the Spanish Goverment using the law that regulates University Studies "Real Decreto 822/2021, de 28 de septiembre, por el que se establece la organización de las enseñanzas universitarias y del procedimiento de aseguramiento de su calidad". To be more precise in article 2: "Artículo 2. Ámbito de aplicación". There is the definition officially used by the law. I will reproduce it here just to make it easy, and please check it because I can be wrong, I am human and I make mistakes, many... but let me go on:
"Artículo 2. Ámbito de aplicación.

Este real decreto tiene como ámbito de aplicación las enseñanzas universitarias oficiales de Grado, Máster Universitario y Doctorado, así como otras enseñanzas universitarias, específicamente la formación permanente, impartidas por las universidades del sistema universitario español y que se definirán como títulos propios."google translation:

Article 2. Scope of application. The scope of this royal decree is the official university education of Bachelor's, University Master's and Doctorate, as well as other university education, specifically permanent training, taught by the universities of the Spanish university system and which will be defined as their own titles.

This is why is important in Spain to have the supplement or double accreditation of a Spanish University with a "titulo propio" like the case of ENEB or directly given the title by the university. Is what make it official and valid at this level of education.

in article 36 they go on defining more in dept the "titulos propios". In art. 37 they establish the continuing education at university level as a part of the "titulos propios".

So please understand that is different that something is official than the word official is part of the name. The "titulo propio" is official since it is regulated by a law and defined by it. But on the other hand is different to the category of academic degrees. These are described as "Títulos universitarios oficiales". Which uses the word "oficiales" and is a declination of "oficial". This "Títulos universitarios oficiales" are the equivalent to a RA degree in the sense they give you rights in front of the law to exercise a profession or hold an academic title. This include that for some regulated professions what is USA you a have a special accrediting exam, in Spain is part of the studies and you do them before you finish the study or are even part of it. Indicating that if you have the official degree you can practice the regulated profession.
The Spanish Law referred above also regulates how some credits of "titulos propios" can be transfered to "Titulos Universitarios Oficiales" later on. the typical transfer credits and how they can be valid.

[IHatePickingUsernames]

Not sure if anyone noticed there's some sort of education reform in Spain and the name "titulos propios" has recently been changed and regulated to "máster de formación permanente". Will keep watch.

According to online sources:
El máster de formación permanente es la nueva denominación que deberán llevar los títulos propios de las universidades para distinguirlos correctamente de los másteres oficiales, que también pueden encontrarse como másteres universitarios. Este cambio viene recogido en el Real Decreto 822/2021, de 28 de septiembre, por el que se establece la organización de las enseñanzas universitarias y del procedimiento de aseguramiento de su calidad.
Google Translate:
The permanent training master's degree is the new name that universities' own titles must bear in order to correctly distinguish them from official master's degrees, which can also be found as university master's degrees. This change is included in Royal Decree 822/2021, of September 28, which establishes the organization of university education and the quality assurance procedure.

What does it means ?

It means that they're making it even more clear that these are professional master's degrees and not academic ones. Professional master's are also known as "terminal master's" because they are not designed to prepare students for PhD and other doctoral programs. Academic master's degrees prepare students to conduct research and write a scholarly thesis, in preparation for the research and writing required for a doctoral dissertation and defense.

In Spain, you must have an academic master's degree to apply to PhD or other doctoral programs. Therefore, the titulo propio or master propio degrees, or the newly renamed "permanent training master's degrees", are not considered equivalent to the official master's degrees. 

But, this is not the case in the USA. Here, a master's degree is a master's degree. Your MBA or other master's degree from ENEB/UI1 will not prevent you from applying to, and getting accepted into, doctoral programs in the United States. You may be made to take a research methods and/or a statistics course, but it won't necessarily bar you from being admitted.

[armado]

It means that they're making it even more clear that these are professional master's degrees and not academic ones. Professional master's are also known as "terminal master's" because they are not designed to prepare students for PhD and other doctoral programs. Academic master's degrees prepare students to conduct research and write a scholarly thesis, in preparation for the research and writing required for a doctoral dissertation and defense.

In Spain, you must have an academic master's degree to apply to PhD or other doctoral programs. Therefore, the titulo propio or master propio degrees, or the newly renamed "permanent training master's degrees", are not considered equivalent to the official master's degrees. 

But, this is not the case in the USA. Here, a master's degree is a master's degree. Your MBA or other master's degree from ENEB/UI1 will not prevent you from applying to, and getting accepted into, doctoral programs in the United States. You may be made to take a research methods and/or a statistics course, but it won't necessarily bar you from being admitted.

Thanks so much

[Arato]

Hey, I'm wondering if ENEB Degree is accredited for Japan's Highly Skilled Professional Visa.
According to the visa, a MBA degree is eligible for 25 points and double masters is qualified for another 5 points, which means one can get double degrees in ENEB can get up to 30 points in just a few months.
But I can't make sure if ENEB is accredited in Japan.

I will be excited to hear any further information from you.

[eLearner]

Hey, I'm wondering if ENEB Degree is accredited for Japan's Highly Skilled Professional Visa.
According to the visa, a MBA degree is eligible for 25 points and double masters is qualified for another 5 points, which means one can get double degrees in ENEB can get up to 30 points in just a few months.
But I can't make sure if ENEB is accredited in Japan.

I will be excited to hear any further information from you.

With some exceptions, schools generally don't have accreditation outside of their home country, so the answer is almost certainly 'no'. But that's no worry, because what you really want to find is a foreign credential evaluator in Japan if they exist there, or a government entity in Japan that evaluates foreign credentials. They will evaluate the degree and determine if it's equal to the accreditation of your home country.

Once you find that, please post about it here. The information will be useful.

[bjcheung77]

@Arato, Which country are you from? It really depends on how your country looks at the partnership, it's either in a favorable or non-favorable in Japan or other countries such as Australia/New Zealand, the same goes for other countries such as Canada and the UK.  You want to use the evaluations from that respective country and if those evaluations come in as equivalent, favorable, and recognized, then you CAN think of it as considered a MBA/Masters degree.  

Having said that, if it comes back as not equivalent, non-favorable, not recognized, then you CAN'T consider it equal to a MBA/Masters degree... As again, It really depends on various factors or variables... You want to review this post I mentioned about ENEB and the corresponding link within that post: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid397864

Just like the link of a link I have above, I do believe it's going to be a favorable review as Japan takes into account the ENIC or NARIC evaluations! Hmm, so again, don't start hoarding ENEB degrees now everyone!  https://www.nicjp.niad.ac.jp/en/qa/crede...imacy.html

[ProReader]

@Arato, Which country are you from? It really depends on how your country looks at the partnership, it's either in a favorable or non-favorable in Japan or other countries such as Australia/New Zealand, the same goes for other countries such as Canada and the UK.  You want to use the evaluations from that respective country and if those evaluations come in as equivalent, favorable, and recognized, then you CAN think of it as considered a MBA/Masters degree.  

Having said that, if it comes back as not equivalent, non-favorable, not recognized, then you CAN'T consider it equal to a MBA/Masters degree... As again, It really depends on various factors or variables... You want to review this post I mentioned about ENEB and the corresponding link within that post: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid397864

Just like the link of a link I have above, I do believe it's going to be a favorable review as Japan takes into account the ENIC or NARIC evaluations! Hmm, so again, don't start hoarding ENEB degrees now everyone!  https://www.nicjp.niad.ac.jp/en/qa/crede...imacy.html

Any thoughts on how the exam format will affect evaluations?

[bjcheung77]

Any thoughts on how the exam format will affect evaluations?

My crystal ball is blank, but I would hazard a guess and say, there isn't any affect on the evaluation. I believe the last we heard about the exam option is that it's delayed or 'in the works'. Hopefully nothing will change in the evaluations that we currently have, and the credits all point towards 3 instead of 2.5 or whatever some FCE currently have it set to.

[cacoleman1983]

As far as foreign credential evaluations go for the exam option, it is very likely that it will just be evaluated as a PASS or FAIL for each course. It's really no different than Western Governors University in terms of grading on a Pass or Fail system. I don't think ENEB is currently offering the exam option as I don't see it anywhere on the revamp of their website.

[krunccrni]

What is going on with final paper evaluation? Almost two months and still no evaluation...