ENEB Master Thread

[openair]

Yes, but I am saying that credential evaluation is a field with certain standards. You may get different results, but you can't transform a one-year certificate into a four-year PhD. In the U.S., you can always find some shady credential evaluator agencies (CUFCE, etc.). However, you can divide the good ones from the bad ones based on the rigour of the evaluation procedures. This is making me question the honesty and competency of the people working for an agency. I don't buy the second degree argument. This degree doesn't present itself as a second degree. It is a stand-alone titulo propio Master program.

[SteveFoerster]

There were some people on this board who were treating this school as a degree mill. I have argued that they were wrong. This school offers a legitimate continuing education program with the added benefit of real ECTS credits that could potentially transfer elsewhere for graduate and undergraduate credit. However, I think that the people who are celebrating this particular evaluator's decision are equally wrong. This is a shameful decision that shows a complete disregard for the most basic standards of global credential evaluation. Yes, we could argue whether this is worth 30, 33 or 24 U.S. college credits. In that sense, I welcome the "unpredictable evaluations." However, it is simply beyond belief to suggest that this is equivalent to someone completing 90 credits in the U.S. (3 years). If you feel that this okay, I am literally flabbergasted. The school itself says that their program lasts 18 months, while the ECTS credit count amounts to one year of education. I am not aware of a single European university that would consider 60 ECTS credits to be equivalent to 3 years.

It's not how I would evaluate it either, and I expect that the suggestion that ECE was triggered by the "1500 hours" reference is probably correct. But after hearing the Heriot-Watt MBA story, nothing surprises me. People have an unrealistic expectation of consistency when we're talking about comparing nearly two hundred different systems that span the globe.

Anyway, that's two so far out of what, two dozen? We'll see what others say.

Yes, we could argue whether this is worth 30, 33 or 24 U.S. college credits. In that sense, I welcome the "unpredictable evaluations." However, it is simply beyond belief to suggest that this is equivalent to someone completing 90 credits in the U.S. (3 years). If you feel that this okay, I am literally flabbergasted. The school itself says that their program lasts 18 months, while the ECTS credit count amounts to one year of education.

In order to be admitted to a Master's programme at ENEB, you need to have a Bachelor's degree, it's literally written in the evaluation report. So we're talking about second Bachelor's degree, not the first one. It's a normal practice to transfer 90 credits and complete the next 30 at university in case of a second undergraduate degree. I guess that's the logic behind this decision from ECE.

Huh. That's a really interesting suggestion.

[moptop]

So I've been following this discussion for a while because I was interested in getting the Spanish for Business Program Certificate that is part of the MBA & Master program. Also thought I could earn some transferable graduate credits that I could use for a local MPA/MBA programs I've been scouting.  But like someone mentioned upthread, the thought of other graduate schools and employers googling ENEB and seeing the groupon deal was off-putting.

However, now that there is some actual proof the program can be validated as a legitimate degree of some sort, I might finally click on the "buy now" button. 

My question: if the ENEB Master's program is 60 ECTS which was evaluated as a 3 yr bachelor, what would the MBA & Master's program come in as? It's 120 ECTS. Maybe a 4 yr bachelor + 1 yr post grad? 

[eLearner]

My question: if the ENEB Master's program is 60 ECTS which was evaluated as a 3 yr bachelor, what would the MBA & Master's program come in as? It's 120 ECTS. Maybe a 4 yr bachelor + 1 yr post grad? 

I doubt it. Don't take the '&' to mean it's a combination, they are treated as two separate degrees by ENEB itself, even though some courses are shared between the two.

[Stanislav]

In order to be admitted to a Master's programme at ENEB, you need to have a Bachelor's degree, it's literally written in the evaluation report. So we're talking about second Bachelor's degree, not the first one. It's a normal practice to transfer 90 credits and complete the next 30 at university in case of a second undergraduate degree. I guess that's the logic behind this decision from ECE.

I think you are right. At least that is what would make the most sense.

Corollary: this means, potentially, that ECE (the company Excelsior College relies on, BTW) would assess this as 30 semester credits, many or most upper-level. One degree costs $249, plus ECE fee for course-by-course evaluation. This could be a source of inexpensive credits for Big 3.

[PrettyFlyforaChiGuy]

Just an aside for anyone hoping to work abroad by picking up a Bachelors-level degree, because I sometimes see posts about international education: Keep in mind that many countries explicitly require a four-year degree for visa purposes.

Then again, since you'd already need a Bachelor's degree to even enter into this ENEB program which is also evaluated as another B.S., you'd be using your original degree for visas anyway.

[Merlin]

One thing to keep in mind before anyone makes any purchase decisions is that this is the result of one employment-focused foreign degree evaluation for one college (one with a tradition of being very flexible about accepting alternative and foreign credit).

Keep in mind that you may get different results if you ask that the degree to be evaluated for its academic credits, or if you want to apply to some other college than EC and that college uses a different foreign credit evaluator.

Does this mean that the ENEB degree is a great option for people who want to attend EC? Maybe. But only if that evaluation is consistent for academic-focused credit evaluations and they offer course equivalencies that are useful for a degree at EC.

Personally, I would expect most foreign credit evaluators to come back saying that this isn't equivalent to a US degree, but some of the courses that make up the degree may potentially be transferable.

[Cofffeee]

I just received the ECE evaluation of my Master in Project Management from Universidad Isabel I. It was recognized as "Bachelor degree, major area of study: Project Management". I chose the validation for employment service ($85) so I didn't have to send a transcript or any original, ECE used the "Código Seguro de Verificación (CSV)" in my UI1 diploma to validate it.

Now, I was hoping to list this degree as a master in my resume, but it was validated as a bachelor's degree. How would you list it?

Which service did you use to send them your papers? They gave me the list of companies Electronic Transcript Exchange (ETX), Digitary, or my eQuals. Not sure which is better

[Stanislav]

One thing to keep in mind before anyone makes any purchase decisions is that this is the result of one employment-focused foreign degree evaluation for one college (one with a tradition of being very flexible about accepting alternative and foreign credit).

Keep in mind that you may get different results if you ask that the degree to be evaluated for its academic credits, or if you want to apply to some other college than EC and that college uses a different foreign credit evaluator.

Does this mean that the ENEB degree is a great option for people who want to attend EC? Maybe. But only if that evaluation is consistent for academic-focused credit evaluations and they offer course equivalencies that are useful for a degree at EC.

Personally, I would expect most foreign credit evaluators to come back saying that this isn't equivalent to a US degree, but some of the courses that make up the degree may potentially be transferable.

Clarification: the evaluation comes from Education Credentials Evaluators, Inc., not Excelsior College. EC does work with ECE; I know because this is what they directed my wife to do when she did a second Bachelor's. I haven't heard of ECE being significantly more flexible than other NACES members; it's a well-established company.

[CYOD]

I just received the ECE evaluation of my Master in Project Management from Universidad Isabel I. It was recognized as "Bachelor degree, major area of study: Project Management". I chose the validation for employment service ($85) so I didn't have to send a transcript or any original, ECE used the "Código Seguro de Verificación (CSV)" in my UI1 diploma to validate it.

Now, I was hoping to list this degree as a master in my resume, but it was validated as a bachelor's degree. How would you list it?

Interesting.  Did ENEB send your transcript themself?

ENEB didn't send anything, but when I emailed my documentation to ECE I included my ENEB diploma and transcript.

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How could a 60 ECTS program be equated to a three-year Bachelor's degree in the U.S.? 60 ECTS credits is close to 30 U.S. college credits. Did they give you extra college credit for the graduate to undergraduate switch? Also, the full evaluation outcome report doesn't show up in the .png file.

It's a good question, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. The evaluation is only a 1 pager, it's pretty much what I've attached, I just snipped the image to leave out my personal information. 

They have more comprehensive evaluation packages, but I chose the cheapest option which is employment.

Are you planning to pursue it to course-by-course evaluation?