ENEB Master Thread

[freeloader]

My disagreement is with many evaluators within the same country- the US- giving different accounts for the same degree credentials. I have no problems if all evaluators more or less agree upon the fact that 3-year degrees from India are not equivalent to a 4-year US degree. Or a Bachelor’s + Master’s from India still only amounts to a Bachelor’s in the US. The problem is when one of them says that it is the equivalent of a US degree. Worse still, if one of them deems a foreign Master’s degree as only equivalent of a US Bachelor’s, while another says it is as good as a US Master’s. Whose decision should we follow then? Evaluator 1 or Evaluator 2? This is what I am having a hard time understanding.

That’s a slightly different argument than what I thought you were saying initially and I actually agree with you. That said, to try to change that would be jousting at windmills and I feel like even complaining about it is kind of a waste. 

In most reasonable countries, a government agency or government backed entity would have sole authority to determine degree equivalencies.  But, to many of my fellow Americans the mere hint of that is socialism. Much better to have one evaluator say that ENEB’s degrees are master’s degrees, another say they are bachelor’s, while a third doesn’t think they even warrant consideration for credit.  After all, corporations are now the most important people in America and they need your money a whole lot more than you need it!

[openair]

This particular U.S. evaluation is absurd. How could 11 courses be worth 90 credits (three years of a Bachelor's program in the U.S.)? If you did a course-by-course evaluation, you would see the absurdity of their unprofessional judgement. There are only 11 courses in the evaluated 60 ECTS "Master in Project Management" program!

"The conversion rate from ECTS to American credits is 2:1, meaning 60 ECTS would convert into 30 American credits."
https://www.mastersportal.com/articles/3...-ects.html

Ask yourself this question: Would any American college consider 30 credits (10-11 courses) to be the equivalent of 90 credits?

[ReyMysterioso]

I am floored that this actually resulted in transferrable U.S. credits. So it really is useful for something. Now time to go try and get mine evaluated ....

[eLearner]

I am floored that this actually resulted in transferrable U.S. credits. So it really is useful for something. Now time to go try and get mine evaluated ....

This whole program is such B.S. I can't believe we're still debating it.

Do you still feel this way? I ask because you did finish the entire program and would have better insight into its quality than most of us.

[SteveFoerster]

This whole program is such B.S. I can't believe we're still debating it.

Do you still feel this way? I ask because you did finish the entire program and would have better insight into its quality than most of us.

He was right, though, it did turn out to be B.S., just not the way anyone expected.

It's also a little entertaining watching people's minds melt when it turns out, just as some us said 572 pages ago, that evaluators are unpredictable.

[rachel83az]

He was right, though, it did turn out to be B.S., just not the way anyone expected.  

It's also a little entertaining watching people's minds melt when it turns out, just as some us said 572 pages ago, that evaluators are unpredictable.

Even if every other evaluator says that it's equivalent to a bachelor's, I wouldn't say it's BS. $300 for a bachelor's degree is still a good deal.

[eLearner]

He was right, though, it did turn out to be B.S., just not the way anyone expected.  

It's also a little entertaining watching people's minds melt when it turns out, just as some us said 572 pages ago, that evaluators are unpredictable.

Even if every other evaluator says that it's equivalent to a bachelor's, I wouldn't say it's BS. $300 for a bachelor's degree is still a good deal.

He was jokingly saying "B.S." as in Bachelor of Science.

[openair]

Steve,

There were some people on this board who were treating this school as a degree mill. I have argued that they were wrong. This school offers a legitimate continuing education program with the added benefit of real ECTS credits that could potentially transfer elsewhere for graduate and undergraduate credit. However, I think that the people who are celebrating this particular evaluator's decision are equally wrong. This is a shameful decision that shows a complete disregard for the most basic standards of global credential evaluation. Yes, we could argue whether this is worth 30, 33 or 24 U.S. college credits. In that sense, I welcome the "unpredictable evaluations." However, it is simply beyond belief to suggest that this is equivalent to someone completing 90 credits in the U.S. (3 years). If you feel that this okay, I am literally flabbergasted. The school itself says that their program lasts 18 months, while the ECTS credit count amounts to one year of education. I am not aware of a single European university that would consider 60 ECTS credits to be equivalent to 3 years.

[rachel83az]

He was jokingly saying "B.S." as in Bachelor of Science.

Oh, duh. Whoooosh. 

Steve,

There were some people on this board who were treating this school as a degree mill. I have argued that they were wrong. This school offers a legitimate continuing education program with the added benefit of real ECTS credits that could potentially transfer elsewhere for graduate and undergraduate credit. However, I think that the people who are celebrating this particular evaluator's decision are equally wrong. This is a shameful decision that shows a complete disregard for the most basic standards of global credential evaluation. Yes, we could argue whether this is worth 30, 33 or 24 U.S. college credits. In that sense, I welcome the "unpredictable evaluations." However, it is simply beyond belief to suggest that this is equivalent to someone completing 90 credits in the U.S. (3 years). If you feel that this okay, I am literally flabbergasted.

It's a ridiculous evaluation, I agree there. However, look at it this way: an American degree is generally only about 30 credits anyway; if that. The remaining 90 credits of a bachelor's degree tend to be general education and elective credits that are more or less high school level. When looked at in that light, this evaluation makes some sense. I still disagree with it on European grounds but I cannot completely argue with that logic.

[unfilteredsoul]

Yes, we could argue whether this is worth 30, 33 or 24 U.S. college credits. In that sense, I welcome the "unpredictable evaluations." However, it is simply beyond belief to suggest that this is equivalent to someone completing 90 credits in the U.S. (3 years). If you feel that this okay, I am literally flabbergasted. The school itself says that their program lasts 18 months, while the ECTS credit count amounts to one year of education.

In order to be admitted to a Master's programme at ENEB, you need to have a Bachelor's degree, it's literally written in the evaluation report. So we're talking about second Bachelor's degree, not the first one. It's a normal practice to transfer 90 credits and complete the next 30 at university in case of a second undergraduate degree. I guess that's the logic behind this decision from ECE.