people who have multiple degrees

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Many large companies treat a Masters as 2 years experience and a Doctorate as 4. So having more experience means more money. Simple math.

Also losing 2 years of income and potentially student loans. PhDs aren't that common in the corporate world for a reason.

Most people here are doing additional degrees concurrent to work, so the economics for that are different that people pursuing education full time.

If your employer covers the cost, then loans are no issue. It makes sense to take advantage of that benefit if it exists since education -> experience -> $$$.

If an employer gives a 3% raise for each year experience, then spending money out of pocket now is an investment in the future as well.

Traditional PhDs, as in the VAST majority of PhDs (not talking about Liberty online shenanigans or an EdD from Nowhere State University or for profit money grabs) are full time gigs with maaaybe TA work on the side. The amount of online options are extremely minimal due to the nature of the degree. Now I am NOT talking about DNP, DBA, EdD or other professional doctorates. I am talking about PhDs.

Not generally something you can do with a full time job. In the UK there were more part-time PhD options but then again these were expensive and 5-7 year commitments.

I think there is a large disconnect on this board for what a PhD is and isn't. This isn't the same thing as going to a part time evening or online masters program nor is it the same thing as someone rushing through a UMPI degree in 8 weeks. For sure you should work and do these types of degrees on the side. A PhD is a different animal.

Again, in most circumstances, it's a losing situation when pursuing a PhD. People have this mindset that a PhD is like a slightly harder online BA/MA degree, which isn't the case. I doubt an employer is going to fund a 100K+ PhD for starters....\

A PhD is going to help minimally in most careers, Missing out on years of income isn't worth it nor is some employer going to let you go on a multi year sabbatical to finish one (unless you are military).

There are employers who fund PhDs as well as people on research grants who get funding while working. It isnt unheard of. Many public research labs do this as well as large companies who want experts.

Europe is an interesting one to mention, because many universities offer PhDs through prior publication, basically granting a doctorate quickly for prior work. It is just as valid as any other PhD and a similar path to an industry PhD as we see in the US.

Some of the schools mentioned on this forum are not as rigorous or acclaimed as others, but education and employment in the US is broken. Degrees cost too much, employers require degrees for work that doesn’t need it, PIs preventing graduation so they can continue their research, and companies that longer pay a living wage even with a degree.

Ive seen people get a masters and get 20k more, and their masters work was all work they were doing for their job already. Simply attaining that credential was what management wanted.

I mean there are ALWAYS anecdotes and exceptions, but most of these don't apply to degree accelerators on this forum. These are insanely qualified candidates competing for 1-2 slots.

I got an MA in the EU, again, the vast majority of PhDs are not like this...

Yeah? A lot of people get a master's and get nothing, degree inflation is quickly becoming a thing. There are TONS of unemployed PhDs out there.

I believe in practicality and pragmatism.

A doctorate by and large is not necessary (unless it's some painful personal goal) and the ROI is not there.