Armour College

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It was suggested to me to look at your signature block.

I failed to grasp the significance; I see it now. You have an Associates in Security Technology, and are trying to build a defensible dissertation for a Doctorate in... criminal justice.

Through that lens, I now understand why you are so defensive of criminal justice as a pathway. It makes me less understanding of why you have such a visceral reaction to the concept of a degree tuned to what private security does, and the laws and circumstances unique to them are, but considering you hold the very kind of degree I am seeking, I have to allow you more weight on that specific topic.

The remainder of your post:

Two rabbit holes.

- Police and degrees. You're off base there. Without chasing that rabbit, the reason police at the patrol level don't have as much need for a degree is because they get more vocational training. If you kept up with national accreditation, you'd know that degrees for line and up are becoming more mandatory. In fact, that's where the whole criminal justice degree path came from - giving officers a quick path to a degree. That's it. It was never intended for corrections or social workers or the litany of so-called 'criminal justice agencies' that currently exist. Like me, and others on this board, our state police academy classes count for college credit. Those same classes are about worthless in other degree paths. An example of a degree path being cultivated for a specific job.

- corrections. Cost reduction isn't the main driver in many areas for why private corrections exist. But that's not the instant topic. And, it isn't the main reason the Federal government contracts security operations, either.

-other red herring. Why would the FBI grant special preference to an Associates in *anything*?

" Do you really think that HOAs are going to pay a security guard more than $40,000 per year for having a degree? " That's the only interesting part.

I keep saying in this thread, and will continue to say there is a movement afoot. Private security is changing. The increase of mass criminal events and decrease in police presence is driving it. Technology and lack of justification is causing the decline of the unarmed guard. Until something happens, the client expects less, and so that's why you see somalis with no English skills in securitas uniforms. BECAUSE they pay less, and accept less, you get more problems, and when it comes 'go time', bad results.

People are starting to get fed up with this death spiral.

That's why you are seeing more non-traditional clients of guard companies popping up, and that's why you see guards serving in expanding roles, similar to the private police of san franscisco.

The reaction that will create more professional guards with higher educational standards is starting. What will be the actual catalyst, I can't say. But, you and others seem to be stuck on the idea that security=barney with no authority, and that's simply becoming an outdated paradigm.

Why would a person strap on a gun and work section 8 housing making less money than going and making more at a fast food restaurant? Fast food places and walmart have increased their wages for a reason. It is getting harder to fill guard slots for a reason.

Far as the degree:

Up until the late 60's - early 70's in my state, there was no state mandated police academy. Up until the 90's, you didn't have to attend bomb school to be a public safety bomb technician. And in 2018, you don't need a security guard degree to be a professional guard. But it's not going to stay like this, whether you like it or not. The calls for change are internal and external, profit margins of clients and major corporations be dammed.

It is what it is. 

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"How did I make your point on G4S? The asked for a criminal justice degree, not a security degree. "


Sorry I missed this.

You tried to posit that there was no substitute for law enforcement or military experience in upper tier security slots. But, then you said that G4S accepted a degree if a candidate didn't have law enforcement or military experience, clearly demonstrating my point; it's not true. A degree holds a lot of equivalency as far as the ink on the contract (and, subsequent audits) are concerned.