ENEB Master Thread

[Thorne]

I just received the ECE evaluation of my Master in Project Management from Universidad Isabel I. It was recognized as "Bachelor degree, major area of study: Project Management". I chose the validation for employment service ($85) so I didn't have to send a transcript or any original, ECE used the "Código Seguro de Verificación (CSV)" in my UI1 diploma to validate it.

Now, I was hoping to list this degree as a master in my resume, but it was validated as a bachelor's degree. How would you list it?

Honestly, I'd still list it as a Master's degree because 
1) That is how the school issued it
2) That is what it is considered in its home country (even if it's better translated as a "Master's Certificate" it still includes "Master's" in the title)
3) There is no way to list a Master's as a Bachelor's degree without causing confusion when you send transcripts.

I'm probably going to jump on this soon, this is an awesome deal! At the end of the day, I'll list it as it was awarded to me and talk my way through the rest. I don't want to defraud anyone, but I also won't shortchange myself of a Master's degree worth of work.

[Dee12]

I just received the ECE evaluation of my Master in Project Management from Universidad Isabel I. It was recognized as "Bachelor degree, major area of study: Project Management". I chose the validation for employment service ($85) so I didn't have to send a transcript or any original, ECE used the "Código Seguro de Verificación (CSV)" in my UI1 diploma to validate it.

Now, I was hoping to list this degree as a master in my resume, but it was validated as a bachelor's degree. How would you list it?

Which service did you use to send them your papers? They gave me the list of companies Electronic Transcript Exchange (ETX), Digitary, or my eQuals. Not sure which is better

No service used, the ECE document requirements state that:

"If your institution issues electronic documents that include a Código Seguro de Verificación (CSV), then you may submit photocopies or scans"

I sent the same pdf file I received from Isabel, which contains the CSV in the document. I just gave them the ID number I used to register with ENEB to complete the validation.

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I just received the ECE evaluation of my Master in Project Management from Universidad Isabel I. It was recognized as "Bachelor degree, major area of study: Project Management". I chose the validation for employment service ($85) so I didn't have to send a transcript or any original, ECE used the "Código Seguro de Verificación (CSV)" in my UI1 diploma to validate it.

Now, I was hoping to list this degree as a master in my resume, but it was validated as a bachelor's degree. How would you list it?

Honestly, I'd still list it as a Master's degree because 
1) That is how the school issued it
2) That is what it is considered in its home country (even if it's better translated as a "Master's Certificate" it still includes "Master's" in the title)
3) There is no way to list a Master's as a Bachelor's degree without causing confusion when you send transcripts.

I'm probably going to jump on this soon, this is an awesome deal! At the end of the day, I'll list it as it was awarded to me and talk my way through the rest. I don't want to defraud anyone, but I also won't shortchange myself of a Master's degree worth of work.

Thanks, I too think it makes more sense to list it like a Master because it would match the title. If a future employer wants to validate the degree, I will then present the ECE assessment and they can choose to take it at face value or to pursue a new assessment. 

Either way, I am happy that this ENEB bet turned into a validated degree, even tho is the "wrong" degree.

[SteveFoerster]

There is no way to list a Master's as a Bachelor's degree without causing confusion when you send transcripts.

Very true. Besides, just because this was someone else's position, even an evaluator's, doesn't mean it has to be your position.

[Cofffeee]

Thanks for reply

[bjcheung77]

For those interested in getting an evaluation done for Master Propio and looking at cost...
See below for links and basic fees of a general report or course by course evaluation...
Credential Evaluation Agencies that are Members of NACES - https://www.naces.org/
Included two most recommended by forum members or required by the Big 3 (ECE/WES).

Center for Applied Research, Evaluation and Education, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.iescaree.com/documents/IES_FeeSchedule.pdf
General $75
Course by course $120

Educational Perspectives, nfp
Member since April 2003
https://www.edperspective.org/credential...rvices.php
https://www.edperspective.org/credential...n-fees.php
General $125
Course by course $175

Educational Credential Evaluators, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.ece.org/ECE/Individuals/Employment-Reports
General $85
Course by course $160

Foreign Academic Credential Service, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://facsusa.com/general-academic-eva...-schedule/
General $100
Course by course $200

Foundation for International Services, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.fis-web.com/credential-evaluations/
General $100
Course by course $225

Global Credential Evaluators, Inc.
Member since March 2004
https://gceus.com/services
General $100
Course by course $175

International Academic Credential Evaluators, Inc.
Member since May 2006
https://www.iacei.net/services-and-fees-for-new-clients
General $125
Course by course $195

International Consultants of Delaware, Inc.
Member since March 1987
http://www.icdeval.com/evaluations/general-statement/
http://www.icdeval.com/evaluations/course-by-course/
General $75
Course by course $175

International Education Evaluations, Inc.
Member since May 2018
https://www.myiee.org/employment.php
General $80
Course by course $165

International Education Research Foundation, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.ierf.org/for-individuals/sta...ices-fees/
General $85
Course by course $165

Josef Silny and Associates, Inc. International Education Consultants
Member since April 1989
https://www.jsilny.org/services.aspx
General $90
Course by course $150

SpanTran: The Evaluation Company
Member since April 1996
https://www.spantran.com/for-students-sc...-and-fees/
General $85
Course by course $170

Transcript Research
Member since September 2011
https://transcriptresearch.com/pages/faq
General $95
Course by course $175

World Education Services, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.wes.org/evaluations-and-fees/
General $100
Course by course $160

[arad]

has anyone from Canada/ BC taken the ENEB program? I'm curious how ICES (BCIT) would evaluate it.

[Lacedonia4]

For those interested in getting an evaluation done for Master Propio and looking at cost...
See below for links and basic fees of a general report or course by course evaluation...
Credential Evaluation Agencies that are Members of NACES - https://www.naces.org/
Included two most recommended by forum members or required by the Big 3 (ECE/WES).

Center for Applied Research, Evaluation and Education, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.iescaree.com/documents/IES_FeeSchedule.pdf
General $75
Course by course $120

Educational Perspectives, nfp
Member since April 2003
https://www.edperspective.org/credential...rvices.php
https://www.edperspective.org/credential...n-fees.php
General $125
Course by course $175

Educational Credential Evaluators, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.ece.org/ECE/Individuals/Employment-Reports
General $85
Course by course $160

Foreign Academic Credential Service, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://facsusa.com/general-academic-eva...-schedule/
General $100
Course by course $200

Foundation for International Services, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.fis-web.com/credential-evaluations/
General $100
Course by course $225

Global Credential Evaluators, Inc.
Member since March 2004
https://gceus.com/services
General $100
Course by course $175

International Academic Credential Evaluators, Inc.
Member since May 2006
https://www.iacei.net/services-and-fees-for-new-clients
General $125
Course by course $195

International Consultants of Delaware, Inc.
Member since March 1987
http://www.icdeval.com/evaluations/general-statement/
http://www.icdeval.com/evaluations/course-by-course/
General $75
Course by course $175

International Education Evaluations, Inc.
Member since May 2018
https://www.myiee.org/employment.php
General $80
Course by course $165

International Education Research Foundation, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.ierf.org/for-individuals/sta...ices-fees/
General $85
Course by course $165

Josef Silny and Associates, Inc. International Education Consultants
Member since April 1989
https://www.jsilny.org/services.aspx
General $90
Course by course $150

SpanTran: The Evaluation Company
Member since April 1996
https://www.spantran.com/for-students-sc...-and-fees/
General $85
Course by course $170

Transcript Research
Member since September 2011
https://transcriptresearch.com/pages/faq
General $95
Course by course $175

World Education Services, Inc.
Member since March 1987
https://www.wes.org/evaluations-and-fees/
General $100
Course by course $160

Which ones of these include translations? Most want the transcripts directly from school but do not translate and that becomes difficult.

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This sounds way too good to be true.  Those of you who have pulled the trigger on this...what is the instruction or curriculum like ?  There is no way that a school could offer a double masters program for less than the cost of airfare from two cities.  I am very curious about this.  I would love to get a second masters degree, but can anyone here find anything suggesting the resulting diploma is anything but toilet paper ?

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Looks like everyone is viewing this with skepticism.

https://translate.google.com/translate?h...rev=search

I lived in Europe and colleges in some countries are very very cheap, education is not expensive over there as it is here. The difficulty level can be harder and also the years required for completion. But I am not surprised that a Master degree program from Spain is so cheap. I would be surprised if it was this price in the US.

[bjcheung77]

has anyone from Canada/ BC taken the ENEB program? I'm curious how ICES (BCIT) would evaluate it.

If you or anyone else from Canada looking to have this evaluated, here are the only 5 recognized evaluation agencies.
I would suggest going for a Basic evaluation to see how these Spanish Propio get evaluated, you may want to contact/email them to inquire.
I think they'll come in as a Graduate Diploma if they do come in at all as these technically are not recognized by the Spanish Ministry of Ed.
Here's my previous stance as to how they may come in Canada/US: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid315119

Comparative Education Service (CES), University of Toronto School of Continuing Studies
https://learn.utoronto.ca/comparative-ed...onal-forms
158 St. George St, Toronto Ontario, M5S 2V8, Canada
General $149
Comprehensive $210

International Credential Assessment Service of Canada (ICAS)
https://www.icascanada.ca/new/main-appli.../faqs.aspx
ICAS of Canada - Ontario AgriCentre
100 Stone Road West, Suite 102, Guelph ON N1G 5L3

General Report ($90)
Secondary School Comprehensive Report ($130)
Postsecondary Comprehensive Report ($200)
Secondary and Postsecondary Comprehensive Report ($280)

International Credential Evaluation Service (ICES)
https://www.bcit.ca/ices/general-applica...vice-fees/
3700 Willingdon Avenue, Burnaby, BC V5G 3H2
Basic/General $128
Comprehensive $230

International Qualifications Assessment Service (IQAS)
https://www.alberta.ca/iqas-employment-apply.aspx#toc-1
9th floor, 9942 108 Street, Edmonton, AB T5K 2J5
Basic/Educational $100
Comprehensive/Specialized $200

World Education Services (WES)
https://www.wes.org/ca/evaluations-and-fees/
2 Carlton Street, Suite 1400, Toronto, Ontario M5B 1J3
Basic/Employment $115
Comprehensive/Education (Transfer) $210

[Merlin]

One thing to keep in mind before anyone makes any purchase decisions is that this is the result of one employment-focused foreign degree evaluation for one college (one with a tradition of being very flexible about accepting alternative and foreign credit).

Keep in mind that you may get different results if you ask that the degree to be evaluated for its academic credits, or if you want to apply to some other college than EC and that college uses a different foreign credit evaluator.

Does this mean that the ENEB degree is a great option for people who want to attend EC? Maybe. But only if that evaluation is consistent for academic-focused credit evaluations and they offer course equivalencies that are useful for a degree at EC.

Personally, I would expect most foreign credit evaluators to come back saying that this isn't equivalent to a US degree, but some of the courses that make up the degree may potentially be transferable.

Clarification: the evaluation comes from Education Credentials Evaluators, Inc., not Excelsior College. EC does work with ECE; I know because this is what they directed my wife to do when she did a second Bachelor's. I haven't heard of ECE being significantly more flexible than other NACES members; it's a well-established company.

I didn't intend to suggest anything different. I thought I was clear that it was an evaluation for Excelsior College (EC) not one by EC. When I spoke about flexibility, I was talking about EC being flexible in how they recognize credits/degrees based on the ECE evaluation. I didn't really mention Education Credit Evaluators (ECE) at all. The closeness in initials can be confusing though.

In any case, my point was that if you get the same eval done for a different intention (this one was specifically for employment purposes rather than for an academic evaluation) or from a different company you may get different results. So people shouldn't go out to get this degree just because of this isolated evaluation. Wait for more results before investing the time or money into this degree.

Personally, I'd like to see an academic evaluation for the purpose of a graduate degree (and/or graduate credits) from more than one foreign degree evaluator before I'd consider doing an ENEB degree. Then again, my sole reason for wanting to do so would be to meet entrance requirements or use as credits towards earning an RA graduate degree. As a foreign credential, the ENEB degrees probably won't offer much value on a resume by themselves. At least not here in the US.

[Sparklette]

One thing to keep in mind before anyone makes any purchase decisions is that this is the result of one employment-focused foreign degree evaluation for one college (one with a tradition of being very flexible about accepting alternative and foreign credit).

Keep in mind that you may get different results if you ask that the degree to be evaluated for its academic credits, or if you want to apply to some other college than EC and that college uses a different foreign credit evaluator.

Does this mean that the ENEB degree is a great option for people who want to attend EC? Maybe. But only if that evaluation is consistent for academic-focused credit evaluations and they offer course equivalencies that are useful for a degree at EC.

Personally, I would expect most foreign credit evaluators to come back saying that this isn't equivalent to a US degree, but some of the courses that make up the degree may potentially be transferable.

Clarification: the evaluation comes from Education Credentials Evaluators, Inc., not Excelsior College. EC does work with ECE; I know because this is what they directed my wife to do when she did a second Bachelor's. I haven't heard of ECE being significantly more flexible than other NACES members; it's a well-established company.

I didn't intend to suggest anything different. I thought I was clear that it was an evaluation for Excelsior College (EC) not one by EC. When I spoke about flexibility, I was talking about EC being flexible in how they recognize credits/degrees based on the ECE evaluation. I didn't really mention Education Credit Evaluators (ECE) at all. The closeness in initials can be confusing though.

In any case, my point was that if you get the same eval done for a different intention (this one was specifically for employment purposes rather than for an academic evaluation) or from a different company you may get different results. So people shouldn't go out to get this degree just because of this isolated evaluation. Wait for more results before investing the time or money into this degree.

Personally, I'd like to see an academic evaluation for the purpose of a graduate degree (and/or graduate credits) from more than one foreign degree evaluator before I'd consider doing an ENEB degree. Then again, my sole reason for wanting to do so would be to meet entrance requirements or use as credits towards earning an RA graduate degree. As a foreign credential, the ENEB degrees probably won't offer much value on a resume by themselves. At least not here in the US.

I'm currently several steps into the hiring process for a position that would want me to get a post bac certificate in HR because the practice is looking to transition most of their HR functions from an outside agency to in house, with the position I've been interviewing for taking on most of it. They know I have 1 graduate level course in general HR for Healthcare, which is enough for them to still be considering me. They are offering the standard $5300 or so tuition reimbursement for the certificate, but I'm wondering if I could float the idea of this as a low cost alternative