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(07-29-2021, 04:07 PM)openair Wrote: I live in Europe. In my country, the Spanish titulos propios have all been designated as a "graduate-level certificate" by one of the national ENIC-NARIC agencies. This essentially solves the problem of credential representation. There’s now a precedent for presenting them as degrees in the U.S, although some American evaluation agencies have likewise placed them in the graduate certificate (or graduate credit) category. I agree that you should attempt to present your credentials in accordance with laws in a given locale. I simply spoke up for the general legitimacy of ENEB credentials. Thank you for your rational, mature contribution to the thread.
There are thousands of threads sharing state-specific information pertaining to higher education. It is not a violation of forum rules. We need a moderator who will not encourage people to be ugly just because they don't have a personal interest in a thread, but that's not really what's going on here. People aren't rude and nasty because they lack interest in something they can easily skip over. They're being emotional and defensive and have demonstrated great interest in the thread by continuing to read and comment in it.
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(07-29-2021, 03:45 PM)jsd Wrote: I don't get the emotional attachment to ENEB that prevents any honest discussion on this forum about possible shortcomings of the school.
It could be 100% perfect for your personal situation, but that doesn't mean valid concerns like this should be shouted down.
I'd be happy to tell people what I don't like about GT, WGU, TESU, or any other school or provider I've utilized. I'm happy to disagree and discuss with some criticism in other situations regarding these institutions where I think it is unfair. But with ENEB, if you even hint at any very obvious issues the program presents, it's like you've insulted someone's faith around here.
I don't mind honest discussion about it, but I do have a problem with certain people (none of whom are on this thread) whose "criticism" amounts to "lol its fake and ur a fraud and/or an idiot." I've dealt with that my whole adult life with every credential or certificate I've held. First, my community college wasn't "real college," then WGU wasn't "a real university," then my CCNP was only obtained because I "cheated," and on and on that damnable wheel turns. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of putting up with it.
My contention on this whole thread really had nothing to do with ENEB and everything to do with UI1. I agree, by and large, with the assessment that ENEB doesn't have specific authority to grant degrees and that the degrees from that company are of questionable value by themselves. It's not even a postsecondary institution, just a learning center, not unlike the U of Wales arrangement, the agreements at UpGrad, or some of the Coursera/EdX deals. We do have some evidence that UI1 has influence over the curriculum based on how this same or very similar curriculum is used by many UI1 partner centers, which is why the comparison is apt. Side note: It is even more similar to the UoWales arrangements because many of those resulted in a legit, verifiable degree from the University of Wales without a transcript.
Once we established that the primary concern was whether the institution was legally authorized to issue degrees in Spain, I backed off because:
1. I agree that ENEB does not have this authority
2. I do not recommend that people use the ENEB certificate by itself literally anywhere, let alone Texas
3. I did not enroll in ENEB because I thought they were prestigious or accredited in their own right
4. UI1 is legally authorized to issue degrees
5. My degree, the one I'll be using on my resume, is from UI1
Then there's the ethics debate, but I wouldn't disclose that I went to "Mickey Mouse's School of Business" if I had a degree from the University of Wales because I believe the school already vetted my educational provider for quality and, thus, my degree from that university would be from that university alone. Just like how I don't imagine anyone doing a degree through UpGrad is ethically obligated to say, "I got my Deakin MBA by going through the UpGrad course provider" and how I don't walk around telling everyone that I got a bunch of credits in my BSc from nonstandard sources.
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