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TESU BSBA in CIS
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(04-08-2019, 02:35 PM)saraholson Wrote:
(04-08-2019, 02:05 AM)Merlin Wrote: Also keep in mind that the TEEX Cybersecurity courses will fit into the BSBA CIS AoS at TESU. Now that at least some of them have been revamped to UL credit again that will also help with meeting UL AoS requirements.

The TEEX courses were UL when I took them but got downgraded before they were evaluated (they got missed in my initial eval and I didn't resend my ACE transcript until I was nearly ready to graduate) so they ended up LL in my evaluation, so I missed out on those UL credits and ended up having to find an additional UL course to make up for it.

thanks Merlin - I actually asked about taking the Study dot com cybersecurity course - and my advisor told me "cybersecurity courses are not accepted in the CIS area of study". That seemed pretty weird to me - especially since they ARE accepting a marketing class - Study's digital marketing as UL. Why would you accept marketing and not cybersecurity for a CIS AOS - don't ask me.

You have to take anything TESU advising tells you with a bit of skepticism (and verify it here) as they rarely check their facts and are often wrong. Either way, they are incorrect in this case unless the degree requirements have changed since last month. In the electives section of my CIS AoS, I have two different cybersecurity courses: CAP-295 (Intro to Security Basics) and CIS-244 (Computer Security), both of which are from TEEX.

My understanding is that any CIS, COS, CAP, CMP, or CYB course can be applied as an elective in the CIS AOS. I cannot confirm that the CYB courses will fit since CYB-120 ended up as a free elective in my eval (I didn't need it anywhere else). I also didn't have any CMP courses in my eval so I can't verify that either, but I had all the rest in my AoS.
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(04-08-2019, 04:46 PM)Merlin Wrote:
(04-08-2019, 02:35 PM)saraholson Wrote:
(04-08-2019, 02:05 AM)Merlin Wrote: Also keep in mind that the TEEX Cybersecurity courses will fit into the BSBA CIS AoS at TESU. Now that at least some of them have been revamped to UL credit again that will also help with meeting UL AoS requirements.

The TEEX courses were UL when I took them but got downgraded before they were evaluated (they got missed in my initial eval and I didn't resend my ACE transcript until I was nearly ready to graduate) so they ended up LL in my evaluation, so I missed out on those UL credits and ended up having to find an additional UL course to make up for it.

thanks Merlin - I actually asked about taking the Study dot com cybersecurity course - and my advisor told me "cybersecurity courses are not accepted in the CIS area of study". That seemed pretty weird to me - especially since they ARE accepting a marketing class - Study's digital marketing as UL. Why would you accept marketing and not cybersecurity for a CIS AOS - don't ask me.

You have to take anything TESU advising tells you with a bit of skepticism (and verify it here) as they rarely check their facts and are often wrong. Either way, they are incorrect in this case unless the degree requirements have changed since last month. In the electives section of my CIS AoS, I have two different cybersecurity courses: CAP-295 (Intro to Security Basics) and CIS-244 (Computer Security), both of which are from TEEX.

My understanding is that any CIS, COS, CAP, CMP, or CYB course can be applied as an elective in the CIS AOS. I cannot confirm that the CYB courses will fit since CYB-120 ended up as a free elective in my eval (I didn't need it anywhere else). I also didn't have any CMP courses in my eval so I can't verify that either, but I had all the rest in my AoS.

they also tried to tell me that I must have 5 upper level courses - then when I questioned - they admitted that 'technically' i could get away with 4, but they 'preferred' all AOS courses be upper level. I was also told that Study's "Business 104: Information Systems and Computer Applications" cannot be used as a CIS elective - even though it comes in to TESU as "CIS-103 : Intro to Computer Info Systems". So just the course prefix apparently is not enough to guarantee the ability to use it.  May I aks - if I cannot trust TESU advising - how can i know that i am taking the right courses? my fear is that i will spend time and $$ on a course and then have TESU refuse to honor it
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Ah, yes. TESU is correct on this one, your "Business 104" class should be placed into the Business Core requirements as a course is required in that field (unless of course, you already have another class for it, then this will go into your free electives). You can take an additional course, such as the one I recommended, the Operating Systems in 1 day - it's that awesome of a course. I'll break it down for you again - exactly as my original post.

You just need one LL programming course and can choose from a couple of the UL courses.
Required: Pick 1 - COS-213 Programming C++ or COS-116 C Programming (Study.com LL)
Required: CIS-320 Information Systems Analysis and Design (Study.com UL)

Recommended LL - COS-240 Introduction to Operating Systems (Study.com LL)
Recommended UL - MAR-441 Digital Marketing & Advertising (Study.com UL)
You choose any two of the following three courses: CIS-311 Database Management (Study.com UL)
COS-330 Computer Architecture or CIS-301 Management Info Systems (Study.com UL)

All in all, pre-plan, review your spreadsheet and degree requirements, then verify all courses are properly allocated. Post your spreadsheet here for review, either myself or another member can comment on it!
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(04-09-2019, 01:06 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: Ah, yes.  TESU is correct on this one, your "Business 104" class should be placed into the Business Core requirements as a course is required in that field (unless of course, you already have another class for it, then this will go into your free electives).  You can take an additional course, such as the one I recommended, the Operating Systems in 1 day - it's that awesome of a course.  I'll break it down for you again - exactly as my original post.

You just need one LL programming course and can choose from a couple of the UL courses.
Required: Pick 1 - COS-213 Programming C++ or COS-116 C Programming (Study.com LL)
Required: CIS-320 Information Systems Analysis and Design (Study.com UL)

Recommended LL - COS-240 Introduction to Operating Systems (Study.com LL)
Recommended UL - MAR-441 Digital Marketing & Advertising (Study.com UL)
You choose any two of the following three courses: CIS-311 Database Management (Study.com UL)
COS-330 Computer Architecture or CIS-301 Management Info Systems (Study.com UL)

All in all, pre-plan, review your spreadsheet and degree requirements, then verify all courses are properly allocated.  Post your spreadsheet here for review, either myself or another member can comment on it!
thanks - that makes it very clear. I only have one more question now actually -  I need one more Gen Ed credit. Can I use the following course from Study since it comes into TESU as CIS - or is it considered a 'business' course and therefore ineligible for gen ed area? to be clear - for the 'intro to computers' requirement that is required in all business degrees - i used Study's Business 109 and that requirement is already met (comes in as TESU COS-101 : Introduction to Computers)

 Study.com Business 104: Information Systems and Computer Applications / Tesu Name: CIS-103 : Intro to Computer Info Systems - LL

I thought i may be able to use it since CIS 103 and COS 101 are not the same at TESU
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You can take the course, it'll go into the General Education field as it's a CIS/COS course. Just wondering, you have 6 FREE elective credits, what are you placing into those fields? Did you "pre-plan" all the other requirements already? Are you on the 2018/2019 catalog or the 2019a catalog? If you are on the 2019a catalog, there are slight differences in what is required for that catalog year.
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In Progress: UMPI BAS & MAOL | UoPeople BS Health Science
Graduate Certificate: ASU Global Management & Entrepreneurship

Completed: TESU ASNSM Biology, BSBA (ACBSP Accredited 2017)
Universidad Isabel I: ENEB MBA, Big Data & BI, Digital Marketing & E-Commerce
Certs: 6Sigma/Lean/Scrum, ITIL | Cisco/CompTIA/MTA | Coursera/Edx/Udacity

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(04-09-2019, 01:47 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: You can take the course, it'll go into the General Education field as it's a CIS/COS course.  Just wondering, you have 6 FREE elective credits, what are you placing into those fields?  Did you "pre-plan" all the other requirements already?  Are you on the 2018/2019 catalog or the 2019a catalog? If you are on the 2019a catalog, there are slight differences in what is required for that catalog year.

my free electives are already filled up by other stuff. All my courses for the BSBA are finished except for the area of study concentration and electives, plus a few of the 'professional business requirements' like principles of finance and macro/micro.  I enrolled in July of 2018 so I guess I am on the 2018 catalog? I left the area of study classes until last because i wasn't sure which BSBA i wanted
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(04-09-2019, 12:08 PM)saraholson Wrote:
(04-08-2019, 04:46 PM)Merlin Wrote: You have to take anything TESU advising tells you with a bit of skepticism (and verify it here) as they rarely check their facts and are often wrong. Either way, they are incorrect in this case unless the degree requirements have changed since last month. In the electives section of my CIS AoS, I have two different cybersecurity courses: CAP-295 (Intro to Security Basics) and CIS-244 (Computer Security), both of which are from TEEX.

My understanding is that any CIS, COS, CAP, CMP, or CYB course can be applied as an elective in the CIS AOS. I cannot confirm that the CYB courses will fit since CYB-120 ended up as a free elective in my eval (I didn't need it anywhere else). I also didn't have any CMP courses in my eval so I can't verify that either, but I had all the rest in my AoS.

they also tried to tell me that I must have 5 upper level courses - then when I questioned - they admitted that 'technically' i could get away with 4, but they 'preferred' all AOS courses be upper level. I was also told that Study's "Business 104: Information Systems and Computer Applications" cannot be used as a CIS elective - even though it comes in to TESU as "CIS-103 : Intro to Computer Info Systems". So just the course prefix apparently is not enough to guarantee the ability to use it.  May I aks - if I cannot trust TESU advising - how can i know that i am taking the right courses? my fear is that i will spend time and $$ on a course and then have TESU refuse to honor it

The advising folks have no connection to the team that does evaluations which is part of the problem. They just look up a course in their database and if they don 't see it, they will often just say it won't work when it will. Their job is to recommend courses from TESU to complete your degree requirement and they don't really have much idea at all on how to deal with alternative education courses. Asking people who've done it before on this forum is a better option in most cases. However, in some cases, you may need to just bite the bullet... take a course, submit the transcript, and see how it is evaluated.

Technically, any CIS or COS course (and most CAP and CMP courses) can theoretically be used as a CIS elective. Your advisor is saying they want you to take all upper-level courses (ideally from TESU), but I can tell you that isn't an actual requirement. Of the 18cr required in the CIS AOS, I only had 12cr (4 courses) as upper-level credits to meet the minimum requirement; the rest of my AoS credits were all from lower-level courses.

That said, CIS-103 is an introductory CIS course and doesn't really fit into the CIS AoS, which is intended to be professional or advanced level CIS courses, so it doesn't make sense to try to force the issue. You would be better served to use that course in the BSBA Core (as your Computers requirement) or as a GenEd elective. Take one of the TEEX cybersecurity courses and slot that in the CIS AOS instead. Those are free and shouldn't be too challenging for a CIS/COS student.
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(04-09-2019, 04:22 PM)Merlin Wrote:
(04-09-2019, 12:08 PM)saraholson Wrote:
(04-08-2019, 04:46 PM)Merlin Wrote: You have to take anything TESU advising tells you with a bit of skepticism (and verify it here) as they rarely check their facts and are often wrong. Either way, they are incorrect in this case unless the degree requirements have changed since last month. In the electives section of my CIS AoS, I have two different cybersecurity courses: CAP-295 (Intro to Security Basics) and CIS-244 (Computer Security), both of which are from TEEX.

My understanding is that any CIS, COS, CAP, CMP, or CYB course can be applied as an elective in the CIS AOS. I cannot confirm that the CYB courses will fit since CYB-120 ended up as a free elective in my eval (I didn't need it anywhere else). I also didn't have any CMP courses in my eval so I can't verify that either, but I had all the rest in my AoS.

they also tried to tell me that I must have 5 upper level courses - then when I questioned - they admitted that 'technically' i could get away with 4, but they 'preferred' all AOS courses be upper level. I was also told that Study's "Business 104: Information Systems and Computer Applications" cannot be used as a CIS elective - even though it comes in to TESU as "CIS-103 : Intro to Computer Info Systems". So just the course prefix apparently is not enough to guarantee the ability to use it.  May I aks - if I cannot trust TESU advising - how can i know that i am taking the right courses? my fear is that i will spend time and $$ on a course and then have TESU refuse to honor it

The advising folks have no connection to the team that does evaluations which is part of the problem. They just look up a course in their database and if they don 't see it, they will often just say it won't work when it will. Their job is to recommend courses from TESU to complete your degree requirement and they don't really have much idea at all on how to deal with alternative education courses. Asking people who've done it before on this forum is a better option in most cases. However, in some cases, you may need to just bite the bullet... take a course, submit the transcript, and see how it is evaluated.

Technically, any CIS or COS course (and most CAP and CMP courses) can theoretically be used as a CIS elective. Your advisor is saying they want you to take all upper-level courses (ideally from TESU), but I can tell you that isn't an actual requirement. Of the 18cr required in the CIS AOS, I only had 12cr (4 courses) as upper-level credits to meet the minimum requirement; the rest of my AoS credits were all from lower-level courses.

That said, CIS-103 is an introductory CIS course and doesn't really fit into the CIS AoS, which is intended to be professional or advanced level CIS courses, so it doesn't make sense to try to force the issue. You would be better served to use that course in the BSBA Core (as your Computers requirement) or as a GenEd elective. Take one of the TEEX cybersecurity courses and slot that in the CIS AOS instead. Those are free and shouldn't be too challenging for a CIS/COS student.

thanks Merlin. all that was really useful information - this is what i decided to take after reading everyone's posts (no TEEX because I have a year long Study subscription and may as well use it) - 
 


COS-116 : C Programming - LL
Study.com  Computer Science 111: Programming in C
Systs Analy/Dsgn 3SH


REQUIRED COURSE : CIS-320 Systems Analysis and Design I - UL
Study.com Computer Science 302: Systems Analysis & Design
CIS Electives 12 SH


MAR-441 : Marketing with Digital and Social Media - UL
Study.com Business 309: Digital Marketing & Advertising

CIS-311 : Database Management - UL
Study.com Computer Science 303: Database Management

CIS-301 : Management Information Systems UL
Study.com Business 303: Management Information Systems

Computer Science 105: Introduction to Operating Systems
COS-240 : Operating Systems
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(04-09-2019, 04:59 PM)saraholson Wrote:
(04-09-2019, 04:22 PM)Merlin Wrote: The advising folks have no connection to the team that does evaluations which is part of the problem. They just look up a course in their database and if they don 't see it, they will often just say it won't work when it will. Their job is to recommend courses from TESU to complete your degree requirement and they don't really have much idea at all on how to deal with alternative education courses. Asking people who've done it before on this forum is a better option in most cases. However, in some cases, you may need to just bite the bullet... take a course, submit the transcript, and see how it is evaluated.

Technically, any CIS or COS course (and most CAP and CMP courses) can theoretically be used as a CIS elective. Your advisor is saying they want you to take all upper-level courses (ideally from TESU), but I can tell you that isn't an actual requirement. Of the 18cr required in the CIS AOS, I only had 12cr (4 courses) as upper-level credits to meet the minimum requirement; the rest of my AoS credits were all from lower-level courses.

That said, CIS-103 is an introductory CIS course and doesn't really fit into the CIS AoS, which is intended to be professional or advanced level CIS courses, so it doesn't make sense to try to force the issue. You would be better served to use that course in the BSBA Core (as your Computers requirement) or as a GenEd elective. Take one of the TEEX cybersecurity courses and slot that in the CIS AOS instead. Those are free and shouldn't be too challenging for a CIS/COS student.

thanks Merlin. all that was really useful information - this is what i decided to take after reading everyone's posts (no TEEX because I have a year long Study subscription and may as well use it) - 
 
COS-116 : C Programming - LL
Study.com  Computer Science 111: Programming in C
Systs Analy/Dsgn 3SH

REQUIRED COURSE : CIS-320 Systems Analysis and Design I - UL
Study.com Computer Science 302: Systems Analysis & Design
CIS Electives 12 SH

MAR-441 : Marketing with Digital and Social Media - UL
Study.com Business 309: Digital Marketing & Advertising

CIS-311 : Database Management - UL
Study.com Computer Science 303: Database Management

CIS-301 : Management Information Systems UL
Study.com Business 303: Management Information Systems

Computer Science 105: Introduction to Operating Systems
COS-240 : Operating Systems

That is almost identical to what I took in my AOS except instead of the operating systems course, I have two TEEX courses slotted there. That should work just fine.
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(04-09-2019, 05:10 PM)Merlin Wrote:
(04-09-2019, 04:59 PM)saraholson Wrote:
(04-09-2019, 04:22 PM)Merlin Wrote: The advising folks have no connection to the team that does evaluations which is part of the problem. They just look up a course in their database and if they don 't see it, they will often just say it won't work when it will. Their job is to recommend courses from TESU to complete your degree requirement and they don't really have much idea at all on how to deal with alternative education courses. Asking people who've done it before on this forum is a better option in most cases. However, in some cases, you may need to just bite the bullet... take a course, submit the transcript, and see how it is evaluated.

Technically, any CIS or COS course (and most CAP and CMP courses) can theoretically be used as a CIS elective. Your advisor is saying they want you to take all upper-level courses (ideally from TESU), but I can tell you that isn't an actual requirement. Of the 18cr required in the CIS AOS, I only had 12cr (4 courses) as upper-level credits to meet the minimum requirement; the rest of my AoS credits were all from lower-level courses.

That said, CIS-103 is an introductory CIS course and doesn't really fit into the CIS AoS, which is intended to be professional or advanced level CIS courses, so it doesn't make sense to try to force the issue. You would be better served to use that course in the BSBA Core (as your Computers requirement) or as a GenEd elective. Take one of the TEEX cybersecurity courses and slot that in the CIS AOS instead. Those are free and shouldn't be too challenging for a CIS/COS student.

thanks Merlin. all that was really useful information - this is what i decided to take after reading everyone's posts (no TEEX because I have a year long Study subscription and may as well use it) - 
 
COS-116 : C Programming - LL
Study.com  Computer Science 111: Programming in C
Systs Analy/Dsgn 3SH

REQUIRED COURSE : CIS-320 Systems Analysis and Design I - UL
Study.com Computer Science 302: Systems Analysis & Design
CIS Electives 12 SH

MAR-441 : Marketing with Digital and Social Media - UL
Study.com Business 309: Digital Marketing & Advertising

CIS-311 : Database Management - UL
Study.com Computer Science 303: Database Management

CIS-301 : Management Information Systems UL
Study.com Business 303: Management Information Systems

Computer Science 105: Introduction to Operating Systems
COS-240 : Operating Systems

That is almost identical to what I took in my AOS except instead of the operating systems course, I have two TEEX courses slotted there. That should work just fine.

I saw in your signature that you are doing the MBA at WGU - was it difficult to get in? what did they require? I have looked online but read different things on reddit, people saying WGU gave them a hard time when they tried to apply/kept telling them several different things - like I have heard that if you try to go to their grad programs with a degree made up of alternative credits, that they don't just accept your degree, they evaluate all the credits individually (meaning they wouldn't accept most of them). again this was on reddit so take with a grain of salt
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