Spanish Titulo Propio & UK Level 7/8 Qualification Framework

[eLearner]

If a place I'm looking at here in the U.S. requires a RA Bachelor's and I happen to receive this unaccredited Masters evaluation, do you think this would meet their requirement? Otherwise, I'd much rather get an RA BS evaluation.

Probably best to just focus on the U.S. schools you want to transfer to, ask them all beforehand what their acceptance policies are, and then send your credentials to the evaluator(s) with a history of the outcome you're seeking that match the policies of the schools you're interested in transferring to. That should take care of it.

[rbat2021]

If a place I'm looking at here in the U.S. requires a RA Bachelor's and I happen to receive this unaccredited Masters evaluation, do you think this would meet their requirement? Otherwise, I'd much rather get an RA BS evaluation.

Probably best to just focus on the U.S. schools you want to transfer to, ask them all beforehand what their acceptance policies are, and then send your credentials to the evaluator(s) with a history of the outcome you're seeking that matches the policies of the schools you're interested in transferring to. That should take care of it.

Yeah, that's definitely the right approach. In my case, it will actually be my state's board for licensing purposes. They last informed me that my questions will be discussed in their next board meeting.

So far all I know is that my state will accept a Bachelor's degree or higher for licensure. They will also accept a foreign equivalent. No mention of regional accreditation yet.

Best case scenario is that they may accept a non related Bachelor's degree and the completion of some specific undergrad level courses. I'm sure many of these I'll fulfill with Study.com amongst others. If that's the case, I won't have to bother with the international programs although I will miss the element of excitement this research has brought upon me. 

Then again, I may just do one of them for educational purposes and for the experience itself. I've already found comparable degree/certificates to Spain's Titulo Propio in about 10 countries and in four languages.

[Cofffeee]

I live in Europe and my Master’s degree in criminology with U1 counts as a Master’s degree. All together with my BSc In Psychology counted as five years of study . In the United States it is different therefore Americans can benefit mostly from the knowledge rather as a credential.

Your degree from U1 was an official degree so you had no problems getting it evaluated as such.   The Master Propio degrees that are certified by U1 through ENEB is what is causing confusing and alternate results from evaluators.  We've had it evaluated so far by two, (WES & ECE), one says unaccredited Masters degree (WES) with ENEB evaluated as a standalone and the other one by ECE was evaluated as a regionally accredited Bachelors degree because of the U1 diploma as propio.  Both are still good but as you say, it is more important for the knowledge instead of the credential with ENEB being placed in the same category as other MOOC and alternate credit providers.

If a place I'm looking at here in the U.S. requires a RA Bachelor's and I happen to receive this unaccredited Masters evaluation, do you think this would meet their requirement? Otherwise, I'd much rather get an RA BS evaluation.

I Would Not Count That It Will Meet Requirements. We are all would rather get RA evaluation.  But if your program is unaccredited,  there is only small chance it will change with other evaluators. U will have to earn RA Bachelor to sort out ur issue

[cacoleman1983]

You might want to find an evaluator that will give you what you are looking for. I know IEE stated they would likely equate the Master Propio to a graduate certificate from a RA school. That will probably be your best option. However, if accreditation is not mentioned as a requirement and your board only wants the degree to come from a legitimate school, the non-accredited Masters may be sufficient.

[drago77]

If a place I'm looking at here in the U.S. requires a RA Bachelor's and I happen to receive this unaccredited Masters evaluation, do you think this would meet their requirement? Otherwise, I'd much rather get an RA BS evaluation.

Probably best to just focus on the U.S. schools you want to transfer to, ask them all beforehand what their acceptance policies are, and then send your credentials to the evaluator(s) with a history of the outcome you're seeking that matches the policies of the schools you're interested in transferring to. That should take care of it.

Yeah, that's definitely the right approach. In my case, it will actually be my state's board for licensing purposes. They last informed me that my questions will be discussed in their next board meeting.

So far all I know is that my state will accept a Bachelor's degree or higher for licensure. They will also accept a foreign equivalent. No mention of regional accreditation yet.

Best case scenario is that they may accept a non related Bachelor's degree and the completion of some specific undergrad level courses. I'm sure many of these I'll fulfill with Study.com amongst others. If that's the case, I won't have to bother with the international programs although I will miss the element of excitement this research has brought upon me. 

Then again, I may just do one of them for educational purposes and for the experience itself. I've already found comparable degree/certificates to Spain's Titulo Propio in about 10 countries and in four languages.

Can you share some of those programs, is any of those in English?

[ProReader]

Hi all,

Quite new to this.

Does this mean that ENEB MBA and Masters in project management/HR/Big data etc., can be listed as MBA in the UK?

Not sure if I completely understood - I do apologise (quite new to this, but I do have a UK bachelors and UK masters degree already)

Thank you so much

[ProReader]

Yes, I agree with the thought of the Sophia sale being amazing, a very good deal for lower level credits, especially for those who are getting these yearly memberships for $74.50 by splitting the cost or $149 if you don't decide to split the cost.  These can add up to literally almost 80-90 credits, if you combine it with other low cost providers such as Study.com , you can get up to 113/114 towards a degree from the Big 3.

In regards to the ENEB deal, I think it's worth it for individuals who have a BA with a concentration or major in something other than Business.  These classes from ENEB are pretty much a preview/review of course work similar to Upper Level Study.com business courses.  I used it to supplement my knowledge in the business verticals that interest me.  Even though it's evaluated as a US Bachelors, it's well worth that $299 price tag.

Hi,

I have posted a question above ^, but sent it without quoting your post. I’m sorry about this.

I would appreciate your help - your posts are invaluable.

Thank you

[bjcheung77]

ProReader, You should have it evaluated by NARIC UK and see if they recognize the foreign credential as an Advanced Bachelors or a Masters. After BREXIT, I think NARIC UK may have updated or changed their credential evaluation criteria and so on... If you want to get a general idea of how ENEB is evaluated, you can click the link on my signature.

[Messdiener]

4) How would you write that on your resume or CV if you ever wanted to list it?

There are credential "tiers" for the Titulo Proio, they are not all created equally and weighted the same.  The 3 major ones are as follows.
A) Masters Class/Course (6 ETCS)  B) Masters Class/Course (ETCS & CEU credits)  C) Masters Diploma/Degree (60 ETCS)
Generally, I would recommend to list it as it shows in the program name but add the word Class/Course if it's 6 ETCS or ETCS & CEU.

On a similar note, what are we to do with the Curso Universitario, Experto Universitario, and Especialista Universitario awards?

I understand that the more general cursos are simply individual postgraduate modules or classes. These would likely just be listed under Continuing Education on one's CV, right?

As for Experto and Especialista programs, these are a bit tougher. It almost seems (to me, at least) that Spain has something parallel (but not necessarily equivalent) to the UK and the Commonwealth's three-tiered postgraduate system of: Postgraduate Certificate (Experto), Postgraduate Diploma (Especialista), and Master's (Master). That's not to say that these all line up in the number of credits, but I figured it's a good way of thinking about the order and rough value of each in the progression of programs.

But has anyone taken these 'lower' level postgraduate programs? If so, how do you list them on your CV? Do you just literally translate the award as, say, a University Expert in Child Psychology or a University Expert in Business Coaching? Or depending on the language of the diploma itself, have you chosen to add the words diploma or certificate to your CV as well?

Thank you in advance!

[nykorn]

I registered for a 64 credit "Masters in Child Psychology and Development" level titulo propio from MassterCursos taught in Spanish, without knowing Spanish. The normal price is €299 but I think I got it for a little cheaper on some kind of sale: https://www.masstercursos.com/

There are roughly 40 chapters of reading, 10 videos, 10 assignments and 2-3 tests. Some of the videos actually don't have any talking (they're a sort of voiceless documentary on the daily life of a person with learning or developmental disabilities) but the ones with talking are around 25 minutes long each. No videos have subtitles or auto-generated subtitles. You can download all course material and use browser add-ons to either download or auto-generate subtitles on the videos. As my course is related to psychology and biology, most of the medical terms are actually the exact same as in English so reading without knowing Spanish is actually pretty easy. I am making it through the PDF lesson material just fine by using a pop-up dictionary on the Spanish. I plan to write my essays using DeepL but have found no need to translate the PDFs to English. You have 12 months from the date of purchase to finish the course, if I recall correctly.

To put continuing education into perspective in the real world: A food handler's licence ($10, obtained in under 2 hours), a CPR license ($0-20, obtained in 2 hours), 120 hour TEFL certificate ($20, obtained in 7 hours for me) taking the legal bar exam in a state that doesn't require college to register for it ($300), bartending school ($500, 40 hours of studies), a real estate agent license ($800 including prep course and state exam)... all open up more job opportunities than many $10,000+ college degrees do. I actually know someone who got a job because they listed a soba making course certificate on their CV. So I am definitely putting the titulo propios on my CV, whenever they are relevant to the job. In my experience hiring managers don't usually have any idea about the real worth of any certificate or trade school (usually though that means they look down on your education without even testing you on it - that 2 months of bartending school was designed by a pro in connection with a chain of bars, all to teach us in 2 months what it takes the average bartender 5 years to learn! However no hiring manager has ever believed me on that).