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[StudiousTraveller]

Can you tell me if I am understanding this correctly, please? I am applying for the BA in History.

For the 30 credits I need to take with UMPI they do not necessarily have to be from the History concentration courses correct? 

Do these 30 credits need to be mainly UL or can they be any 30 credits?

For example, if I can find alternative courses to meet the History requirements from Sophia, Study.com etc. can I do classes with those companies instead and then take other courses (that may not necessarily be History) with UMPI to be used as elective credits?

I've been told by UMPI that the GEC will be waived since I already have a degree, but I don't have an evaluation of my degree yet so I don't know how many (if any electives) I'll be able to transfer in from my BSc. 

The reason I ask is that I would like to minimize the terms I need to do at UMPI (to 3 max. if possible) to stay within my budget, but I'm concerned that I'll use up a lot of time during each term writing essays. I'd prefer to do as many classes with essays outside of UMPI (as possible) where I can take longer if need be and then I'll be able to progress faster through the 30 credits I need to do with UMPI.

[ss20ts]

You have to complete a minimum of 30 credits at UMPI. Do you know if your degree transfers in as a full bachelor's degree? If UMPI accepts your bachelor's degree as a bachelor's degree then you're waived from the GEC. If not, then you're not waived from the GEC.

You need to complete the majority of the UL courses at UMPI. The 30 credits can be in any area of the degree program, but the majority of them have to be in the major. 

I'm looking for a degree audit for the History & Poli Sci degree.

This may help you. It should at least give you an idea of where to start with the UL courses.

http://catalog.umpi.edu/preview_program....turnto=155

[carrythenothing]

Does UMPI also waive the 31-32 credits of general electives for a second bachelor's degree? If so, you might only be able to take courses that count toward the concentration's requirements.

https://online.umpi.edu/programs/ba-hist...ience.aspx

[StudiousTraveller]

You have to complete a minimum of 30 credits at UMPI. Do you know if your degree transfers in as a full bachelor's degree? If UMPI accepts your bachelor's degree as a bachelor's degree then you're waived from the GEC. If not, then you're not waived from the GEC.

I'm looking for a degree audit for the History & Poli sci degree.

This may help you. It should at least give you an idea of where to start with the UL courses.

http://catalog.umpi.edu/preview_program....turnto=119

Yes, I know I have to complete 30 credits from UMPI but my question is can they be ANY 30 credits (as long as I have met the requirements for the History concentration in some other way)? 

As I said, I don't know how many electives I'll be able to use from my BSc, however, I'm very confident the GEC will be waived.

Last week, I spoke to an employee at UMPI (not the YourPace enrollment counselor) and we discussed my BSc that is from Canada and she said she didn't see any reason why it wouldn't waive the GEC (she was familiar with the university I attended as it is only a few hours on the other side of the border from UMPI). 

The link you provided goes to the Political Science concentration requirements, however, am I am doing History so I have been using this link -> http://catalog.umpi.edu/preview_program....turnto=119 to determine which courses I need.

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Does UMPI also waive the 31-32 credits of general electives for a second bachelor's degree? If so, you might only be able to take courses that count toward the concentration's requirements.

https://online.umpi.edu/programs/ba-hist...ience.aspx

I am not sure about this. I am inclined to say no because the lady at UMPI I spoke with did not tell me those would be waived. That said, I have 158 credits from my prior degree so I expect some of those will count towards general electives, I'm not sure how many yet thought.

[ss20ts]

Does UMPI also waive the 31-32 credits of general electives for a second bachelor's degree? If so, you might only be able to take courses that count toward the concentration's requirements.

https://online.umpi.edu/programs/ba-hist...ience.aspx

The general electives are typically filled by your first bachelor's degree.

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You have to complete a minimum of 30 credits at UMPI. Do you know if your degree transfers in as a full bachelor's degree? If UMPI accepts your bachelor's degree as a bachelor's degree then you're waived from the GEC. If not, then you're not waived from the GEC.

I'm looking for a degree audit for the History & Poli sci degree.

This may help you. It should at least give you an idea of where to start with the UL courses.

http://catalog.umpi.edu/preview_program....turnto=119

Yes, I know I have to complete 30 credits from UMPI but my question is can they be ANY 30 credits (as long as I have met the requirements for the History concentration in some other way)? 

As I said, I don't know how many electives I'll be able to use from my BSc, however, I'm very confident the GEC will be waived.

Last week, I spoke to an employee at UMPI (not the YourPace enrollment counselor) and we discussed my BSc that is from Canada and she said she didn't see any reason why it wouldn't waive the GEC (she was familiar with the university I attended as it is only a few hours on the other side of the border from UMPI). 

The link you provided goes to the Political Science concentration requirements, however, am I am doing History so I have been using this link -> http://catalog.umpi.edu/preview_program....turnto=119 to determine which courses I need.

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Does UMPI also waive the 31-32 credits of general electives for a second bachelor's degree? If so, you might only be able to take courses that count toward the concentration's requirements.

https://online.umpi.edu/programs/ba-hist...ience.aspx

I am not sure about this. I am inclined to say no because the lady at UMPI I spoke with did not tell me those would be waived. That said, I have 158 credits from my prior degree so I expect some of those will count towards general electives, I'm not sure how many yet thought.

That link is the previous catalog. This link is the current catalog for the History program. You have to complete some Poli Sci for it. 

http://catalog.umpi.edu/preview_program....turnto=155

If your bachelor's degree is accepted then you're waived from the GEC and most of your general electives if not all will be filled by your first degree since it's in something completely different. The majority of the history program and the required UL's must be completed at UMPI like I said before. 

When I did my second bachelor's degree at UMPI, I was only waived from the GEC. I had to complete the major and concentration requirements. I didn't have room for anything outside of the major. You really need to do most of the major at UMPI. That's an UMPI requirement. If someone has their YourPace degree audit they can show you where the requirements are with regards to UL. 

If you have 158 credits then you only have the history major courses remaining. Do you have 2 semesters of a language? 

You might want to wait and see what they accept and what your degree evaluation looks like before making any plans. It's a bit different when you already have a degree.

[wildebeest]

Can you tell me if I am understanding this correctly, please? I am applying for the BA in History.

For the 30 credits I need to take with UMPI they do not necessarily have to be from the History concentration courses correct? 

Do these 30 credits need to be mainly UL or can they be any 30 credits?

For example, if I can find alternative courses to meet the History requirements from Sophia, Study.com etc. can I do classes with those companies instead and then take other courses (that may not necessarily be History) with UMPI to be used as elective credits?

I've been told by UMPI that the GEC will be waived since I already have a degree, but I don't have an evaluation of my degree yet so I don't know how many (if any electives) I'll be able to transfer in from my BSc. 

The reason I ask is that I would like to minimize the terms I need to do at UMPI (to 3 max. if possible) to stay within my budget, but I'm concerned that I'll use up a lot of time during each term writing essays. I'd prefer to do as many classes with essays outside of UMPI (as possible) where I can take longer if need be and then I'll be able to progress faster through the 30 credits I need to do with UMPI.

I had 27 credits I needed to finish to get the degree, 24 in history and one general education requirement, but 30 credits needed for residency, so I threw in a political science class to meet residency requirements. While I believe most of your classes at UMPI ought to be upper level history, I don't know the actual requirements; you might need to ask your advisor about that. I personally transferred in two upper level history classes without issue. 

If you do want to transfer some in, Study.com is a good place to do so. Their lower level Vietnam class, which is very easy, comes in as HTY 439 The Vietnam Wars, and if you also take their upper level Vietnam course, Causes and Effects of the Vietnam War, which will be more than halfway finished if you do the lower level one first, that will come in as HTY 3XX and count as another UL history course.

For history, choosing classes correctly will help you finish within three terms (easily doable) as well as completing classes first that you can transfer in. For instance, HTY 371 International Relations and Modern Conflict took me longer on its own than U.S. Environmental History, Arab-Israeli Conflict, Marxism, and Creative and Critical Thinking combined. It's a good class, I enjoyed it and am glad I took it, but it's long.

I work about 45 hours a week, have two kids, and as of today am finished with all my required classes after one and a half sessions. I worked on school about thirty hours a week and have written about 80,000 words to get done in that time, but I think I could have written half as much and still been just fine (i.e., passed). 

I added Constitutional Law for fun today, and may add another class or two if the mood strikes me.

Anyway, you can transfer in some UL history courses, though I'm not sure how many (I did two). 

These are only the classes I've taken, but here is a list from most time consuming to least:

International Relations and Modern Conflict
Medieval Europe
World Civilization I
World Civilization II
US Environmental History
Creative and Critical Thinking
Arab-Israeli Conflict
Marxism
Constitutional Law (probably, I'm not finished; might end up slightly longer than Marxism).

The last two are political science and won't meet any history requirements.

Also, I had a six-credit Independent Study course, which is why there aren't ten classes listed above.

[knaves]

You have to complete a minimum of 30 credits at UMPI. Do you know if your degree transfers in as a full bachelor's degree? If UMPI accepts your bachelor's degree as a bachelor's degree then you're waived from the GEC. If not, then you're not waived from the GEC.

You need to complete the majority of the UL courses at UMPI. The 30 credits can be in any area of the degree program, but the majority of them have to be in the major. 

I'm looking for a degree audit for the History & Poli Sci degree.

This may help you. It should at least give you an idea of where to start with the UL courses.

http://catalog.umpi.edu/preview_program....eturnto=15

The majority of the UL courses in a degree do not have to be completed at UMPI, nor do the majority of the thirty courses have to be in the major.  UMPI has three residency requirements for this degree.
1. Thirty credits at UMPI
2. Of those thirty credits, twelve must be in the major.
3. Of the twelve credits in the major, nine must be upper level.
That mean that, assuming you have met all other requirements elsewhere, you could take four (12 credits) history or pol-sci courses (with three [9 credits] being upper level) and six (18 credits) random elective courses. Hope that's helpful!

[Kab]

Knaves that is great info, thanks

[bjcheung77]

The majority of the UL courses in a degree do not have to be completed at UMPI, nor do the majority of the thirty courses have to be in the major.  UMPI has three residency requirements for this degree.
1. Thirty credits at UMPI
2. Of those thirty credits, twelve must be in the major.
3. Of the twelve credits in the major, nine must be upper level.
That mean that, assuming you have met all other requirements elsewhere, you could take four (12 credits) history or pol-sci courses (with three [9 credits] being upper level) and six (18 credits) random elective courses. Hope that's helpful!

In addition to this... There are discrepancies with each degree you go with at UMPI, there is really no "set" requirement except for 30 credit residency. This is because of the degree requirements and the upper level credits you transfer in differ from each degree you select. Here are two other examples.

BAS: The student must take at least 30 credits of his/her BAS coursework at UMPI, 12 of which must be in a selected minor and 18 of which must be upper level courses (300-400). These 18 upper level credits taken at UMPI may be taken as part of the GEC, the minor, or as elective credit.

BLS: There are four components to the degree:
➤ The student must meet the University’s General Education requirements worth 40 credits.
➤ The student must select a minor from offerings in the current UMPI catalog.
➤ A minimum of 24 credits of the electives for the BLS degree must be in the 300-400 level courses.
➤ A minimum of 30 credits of the BLS coursework must be done at UMPI.

[StudiousTraveller]

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That link is the previous catalog. This link is the current catalog for the History program. You have to complete some Poli Sci for it. 

http://catalog.umpi.edu/preview_program....turnto=155

If your bachelor's degree is accepted then you're waived from the GEC and most of your general electives if not all will be filled by your first degree since it's in something completely different. The majority of the history program and the required UL's must be completed at UMPI like I said before. 

When I did my second bachelor's degree at UMPI, I was only waived from the GEC. I had to complete the major and concentration requirements. I didn't have room for anything outside of the major. You really need to do most of the major at UMPI. That's an UMPI requirement. If someone has their YourPace degree audit they can show you where the requirements are with regards to UL. 

If you have 158 credits then you only have the history major courses remaining. Do you have 2 semesters of a language? 

You might want to wait and see what they accept and what your degree evaluation looks like before making any plans. It's a bit different when you already have a degree.
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Excellent. The courses listed at this link is the same as the plan I've been working from. 

I already have two semesters of language (from my prior degree) and I checked the transfer database and they are on the list as good transfer credits. 

I don't have any political science classes on my degree so I believe I will require 36 credits of History and 6 credits of Political Science courses to complete this degree.

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Can you tell me if I am understanding this correctly, please? I am applying for the BA in History.

For the 30 credits I need to take with UMPI they do not necessarily have to be from the History concentration courses correct? 

Do these 30 credits need to be mainly UL or can they be any 30 credits?

For example, if I can find alternative courses to meet the History requirements from Sophia, Study.com etc. can I do classes with those companies instead and then take other courses (that may not necessarily be History) with UMPI to be used as elective credits?

I've been told by UMPI that the GEC will be waived since I already have a degree, but I don't have an evaluation of my degree yet so I don't know how many (if any electives) I'll be able to transfer in from my BSc. 

The reason I ask is that I would like to minimize the terms I need to do at UMPI (to 3 max. if possible) to stay within my budget, but I'm concerned that I'll use up a lot of time during each term writing essays. I'd prefer to do as many classes with essays outside of UMPI (as possible) where I can take longer if need be and then I'll be able to progress faster through the 30 credits I need to do with UMPI.

I had 27 credits I needed to finish to get the degree, 24 in history and one general education requirement, but 30 credits needed for residency, so I threw in a political science class to meet residency requirements. While I believe most of your classes at UMPI ought to be upper level history, I don't know the actual requirements; you might need to ask your advisor about that. I personally transferred in two upper level history classes without issue. 

If you do want to transfer some in, Study.com is a good place to do so. Their lower level Vietnam class, which is very easy, comes in as HTY 439 The Vietnam Wars, and if you also take their upper level Vietnam course, Causes and Effects of the Vietnam War, which will be more than halfway finished if you do the lower level one first, that will come in as HTY 3XX and count as another UL history course.

For history, choosing classes correctly will help you finish within three terms (easily doable) as well as completing classes first that you can transfer in. For instance, HTY 371 International Relations and Modern Conflict took me longer on its own than U.S. Environmental History, Arab-Israeli Conflict, Marxism, and Creative and Critical Thinking combined. It's a good class, I enjoyed it and am glad I took it, but it's long.

I work about 45 hours a week, have two kids, and as of today am finished with all my required classes after one and a half sessions. I worked on school about thirty hours a week and have written about 80,000 words to get done in that time, but I think I could have written half as much and still been just fine (i.e., passed). 

I added Constitutional Law for fun today, and may add another class or two if the mood strikes me.

Anyway, you can transfer in some UL history courses, though I'm not sure how many (I did two). 

These are only the classes I've taken, but here is a list from most time consuming to least:

International Relations and Modern Conflict
Medieval Europe
World Civilization I
World Civilization II
US Environmental History
Creative and Critical Thinking
Arab-Israeli Conflict
Marxism
Constitutional Law (probably, I'm not finished; might end up slightly longer than Marxism).

The last two are political science and won't meet any history requirements.

Also, I had a six-credit Independent Study course, which is why there aren't ten classes listed above.

Thanks so much for these details. They are very helpful and definitely things I'm going to keep in mind! 

30 hours a week for school work on top of 45 hours of work and kids is impressive! I don't work and my son is grown so I really don't have any reason why I can't commit at least 30 hours too. That's encouraging that should be enough to get through these classes.

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Thank you @knaves and @bjcheung77. So much to consider and plan!