ENEB Master Thread

[nykorn]

I Emailed ENEB asking about the "2 separate degrees" on the English page versus the "1 combined degree" on the Spanish page for the MBA + Master's, as discussed earlier. They replied saying that the English school and Spanish school are considered as two entirely separate schools with entirely separate degree programs, and what is true on the Spanish page is not true for the English page.

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At the same time, don't forget that WES is also a member of NACES, and in the future ENEB diplomas may only be applicable to some countries in Asia and South America. The European recognition should also be affected by the fact that it is no longer part of the higher education sector, and it is now more like a training certificate with European credits than a real master's program.

I think you have misunderstood something.

- NACES members are not unified, there is no standard across NACES for what a degree equals and they do not all give the same evaluation result. One NACES member may say a degree is a "graduate certificate" but another says it is a "regionally accredited Bachelor's" and another will say "unaccredited Master's", for example, which are 3 separate results from 3 separate NACES members about the same 1 degree. It is a completely different situation from countries like Norway where the government or school board itself is the one and only body that evaluates foreign degrees.

- FCEs including WES do not follow the legal standards of the country the degree is from when they make decisions. My Associate's degree is a legal "regionally accredited" degree from Europe taught in English, but WES USA evaluated it as a "non-degree". 

- You don't need a FCE to use a European diploma for work in another European country unless you are trying to get a job that requires a license (no ENEB related jobs require a license). The worth of the certificate has not lowered in that case.

- European equivalency has only ever been guaranteed for official university degrees. Even then they are only guaranteed for entrance into further academic studies, equivalency is not guaranteed for jobs or licensing in another European country.

- The ENEB degree was already recognized as entirely below university level in several European countries (the Nordics, Germany, Belgium I believe). Again they were not basing that on the laws of Spain.

- This is not limited to the university level. For example Sweden does not accept a Spanish high school diploma as counting as high school graduation. They require Spaniards to take additional English classes among other things in order to count as a high school graduate in Sweden. If they were following Spanish laws, this would not be required.

[Voldigoad]

I Emailed ENEB asking about the "2 separate degrees" on the English page versus the "1 combined degree" on the Spanish page for the MBA + Master's, as discussed earlier. They replied saying that the English school and Spanish school are considered as two entirely separate schools with entirely separate degree programs, and what is true on the Spanish page is not true for the English page.

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At the same time, don't forget that WES is also a member of NACES, and in the future ENEB diplomas may only be applicable to some countries in Asia and South America. The European recognition should also be affected by the fact that it is no longer part of the higher education sector, and it is now more like a training certificate with European credits than a real master's program.

I think you have misunderstood something.

- NACES members are not unified, there is no standard across NACES for what a degree equals and they do not all give the same evaluation result. One NACES member may say a degree is a "graduate certificate" but another says it is a "regionally accredited Bachelor's" and another will say "unaccredited Master's", for example, which are 3 separate results from 3 separate NACES members about the same 1 degree. It is a completely different situation from countries like Norway where the government or school board itself is the one and only body that evaluates foreign degrees.

- FCEs including WES do not follow the legal standards of the country the degree is from when they make decisions. My Associate's degree is a legal "regionally accredited" degree from Europe taught in English, but WES USA evaluated it as a "non-degree". 

- You don't need a FCE to use a European diploma for work in another European country unless you are trying to get a job that requires a license (no ENEB related jobs require a license). The worth of the certificate has not lowered in that case.

- European equivalency has only ever been guaranteed for official university degrees. Even then they are only guaranteed for entrance into further academic studies, equivalency is not guaranteed for jobs or licensing in another European country.

- The ENEB degree was already recognized as entirely below university level in several European countries (the Nordics, Germany, Belgium I believe). Again they were not basing that on the laws of Spain.

- This is not limited to the university level. For example Sweden does not accept a Spanish high school diploma as counting as high school graduation. They require Spaniards to take additional English classes among other things in order to count as a high school graduate in Sweden. If they were following Spanish laws, this would not be required.

Agreed. Already previous to the new law about MFP german anabin database stated that Propio titles were outside the spanish higher education system, so nothing really changed in that regard. It is still worth it if you don't want to pursue further studies. And even then, private german FHs/universities might transfer some credits.

[ecdw94]

[quote='Xin']
I think it means offering full scholarships for the course, tuition free, 10 are the remaining scholarship places, eneb offers various types of scholarships and installments for tuition, which doesn't seem like strange marketing, and two is the actual existence of free places

You can email them if you want to get the general idea of what that means for ENEB.  The picture indicates the scholarship dollar amount already, it's not free or a full scholarship.  Everyone is going to look at all the info presented differently, to be on the safe side, it's best to get the info directly from them...  My thought remains what I mentioned earlier, they're too much of a 'money grabber' to offer anything free, they're offering diplomas, exams, etc for extra costs, they're not in the right sense to offer anything free at all, it's all marketing and strategy on their end...

In fact, the overall price is now closer to that of similar programs in Spain, and in general, Isabel's own titles cost between 500 and 600 euros at other partner centers, which is just about the total price of eneb's current courses and diplomas. Perhaps this price is justified, there are many platforms in Spain that offer similar programs, and the only services you can buy for 500 euros are things similar to eneb, PDF training materials, and if you want something better you need to pay for additional online courses and instructor-led tutorials, and I have to make it clear that there are many universities in Spain that have fees for physical diplomas, such as the ones below ContentMáster Universitario en Dirección Comercial y Marketing | UDIMA --- 商业管理与市场营销硕士学位 |乌迪玛Tarifas vigentes para el curso 2023-24.

Conceptos
Precio
Expedición de título de Máster (*)
225,00 €
Certificado Académico Personal
35,00 €
Duplicado de título oficial de Máster
225,00 €
Duplicados de Certificaciones
35,00 €
Legalización mediante autorización expresa a la UDIMA
125,00 €
Legalización por cuenta del alumno
Consultar (**)
Programa de las asignaturas sellados
35,00 €
Carné de estudiante
sin coste

Cursos, Máster y Expertos online baremables y puntuables en bolsa | Formación Alcalá España (formacionalcala.com)
Bienvenido a FARO Business School, Cursos para administrativos (farobs.com)

You need to pay at least 500 euros for the co-op program to get a free digital diploma accredited by the university.If you buy a course run by the university itself or an official course, you'll pay even more!。

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There are also some new developments, as the type of diploma has changed since October 19, 2023, and the university's own title became MFP （Spain：Máster de Formación Permanente） after the new law went into effect. Take note of the change in the type of diploma, and one more thing is that if you enroll in the Dual Masters now you will only get a 72 credit Isabel diploma, if it is a triple masters you will get a 90 credit global mba diploma issued by Isabel. Because according to the partnership agreement between eneb and Isabel
ECTS credits for each of the training programs are as follows:

MBA + Master’s Degree: 72 ECTS
Master’s Degree: 60 ECTS
Postgraduate Course: 12 ECTS
Higher Education Course: 2 ECTS

The agreement signed between ENEB and the University Isabel I specifies that the maximum number of ECTS credits a student can obtain in a year is 90 ECTS.

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Changes in the number of diploma credits and types of diplomas may have an impact on the assessment results, and I think it's time to gather more information to update our Wikipedia page!

Thanks for the update! In how far has the type of Diploma changed in regards to MPF? Do you have an example?

yes,you can see them https://web.ub.edu/en/web/estudis/w/spec...-202311260 Yes, there are no announcements, but what is certain is that Isabel changed the content of the diplomas issued after October 19, the law was indeed issued in 2021, however, the law came into force on October 19 of this year, which is why in October of this year many universities collaborated to take down their master's degree programs, and the current training programs that have been taken off the shelves from the new shelves are labeled as MFP Diplomas, and you can find out about the changes in the names of the courses and the degrees on the official websites of the universities of Spain and the collaborating centers, in the case of the University of UCAM, for example, the degrees awarded will be indicated as MFP Diplomas

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yes,look at this Legal advice – ENEB
The Dual Masters Diploma is now 72 credits The Global MBA 3 Masters is 90 credits.



How do you buy the Global MBA 3 Masters? I suppose you refer to ENEB?
Also, how does this change WES evaluation? Since they evaluated 60 ects as canadian masters equivalent already.

[ecdw94]

@Xin - I have no idea where you are quoting from or why you are quoting it in response to what I wrote. It looks like you are translating information from the Spanish page, which is a confirmation of the information I wrote in the message you quoted?

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Can update on authentication now, WES canada denied authentication.Now that WES no longer accredits Isabel's accredited programs, the official degrees taught at Isabel are not affected.

Unfortunate news. I never planned on using mine for WES Canada, but I know some people will be affected. I guess the early bird gets the worm!

I hope its temporary. But why ENEB ? Because other "schools" that collaborate with UC1 (from this list: https://www.ui1.es/centros-colaboradores) do not get the same message "WES does not evaluate academic records from Escuela de Negocios Europea de Barcelona - ENEB at this time. Do not include this credential in your application. If included, this will cause a delay in processing your evaluation report." Which I suppose is popping up only recently?

Also, its just ENEB and ISEB that get that message when I choose it on the WES TOOL.

[nykorn]

Has anyone tried any of the NACES members that accept digital documents submitted by the user instead of the institution? (I imagine there are some for Canada as well.) For example:
https://spantran.com/
https://www.iacei.net/

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How do you buy the Global MBA 3 Masters? I suppose you refer to ENEB?
Also, how does this change WES evaluation? Since they evaluated 60 ects as canadian masters equivalent already.

You can buy the Global MBA by using their Spanish services. I think one person had success purchasing the same degrees in English and asking about a Global diploma to their English services Email.

It changes nothing about any old WES evaluation. It only changes things for people who haven't gotten theirs evaluated yet and will receive the new decision. WES Canada evaluations expire after a few years if you don't order a new copy, so some people will need to just reorder copies every fews years in order to keep the "good" evaluation result.

[nykorn]

"has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education" - Doesn't make sense. The courses still give university level ECTS - doing so has not been made illegal, as far as I've read. If it gives university credits it's not outside of higher education.

[Xin]

Unfortunately, it is true that after the Spanish education reform the university's own title changed to Master's degree in lifelong education, which is not part of higher education.This information has been confirmed by Chinese government agencies and Spanish authorities.At the same time, the official Chinese accreditation service for international students no longer accredits the Spanish universities' own diplomas.Official Spanish degrees are not affected.The Master's Degree in Lifelong Education does provide university credits, but it is really only a training certificate with credits.

https://m.163.com/dy/article/HLLUNHIB051...ss=adap_pc
https://www.uibe-mba.com/neir.php?id=996
https://zwfw.cscse.edu.cn/cscse/lxfwzxws...index.html

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Please look at this.

https://zwfw.cscse.edu.cn/cscse/lxfwzxws...index.html
https://www.uibe-mba.com/neir.php?id=996

[Voldigoad]

Unfortunately, it is true that after the Spanish education reform the university's own title changed to Master's degree in lifelong education, which is not part of higher education.This information has been confirmed by Chinese government agencies and Spanish authorities.At the same time, the official Chinese accreditation service for international students no longer accredits the Spanish universities' own diplomas.Official Spanish degrees are not affected.The Master's Degree in Lifelong Education does provide university credits, but it is really only a training certificate with credits.

https://m.163.com/dy/article/HLLUNHIB051...ss=adap_pc
https://www.uibe-mba.com/neir.php?id=996
https://zwfw.cscse.edu.cn/cscse/lxfwzxws...index.html

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Please look at this.

https://zwfw.cscse.edu.cn/cscse/lxfwzxws...index.html
https://www.uibe-mba.com/neir.php?id=996

The new MFP Masters still come with ECTS, which makes them somewhat part of the EHEA.

E.g. 
https://universidadeuropea.com/master-de...eb-online/ gives 60 ECTS
https://universidadeuropea.com/master-bu...cs-online/ 60 ECTS

Still, I'd assume students outside of Europe would be more affected of the new changes than students of Europe.

[harpervalleyestate1]

How fast can you finish an MBA in ENEB let`s say you put in 15 hours per week?

[bjcheung77]

How fast can you finish an MBA in ENEB let`s say you put in 15 hours per week?

Very subjective, it's so different for everyone as people 'learn/study' so differently... 7.5 months for me to do the 3 in my signature...