ENEB Master Thread

[ecdw94]

Unfortunately, it is true that after the Spanish education reform the university's own title changed to Master's degree in lifelong education, which is not part of higher education.This information has been confirmed by Chinese government agencies and Spanish authorities.At the same time, the official Chinese accreditation service for international students no longer accredits the Spanish universities' own diplomas.Official Spanish degrees are not affected.The Master's Degree in Lifelong Education does provide university credits, but it is really only a training certificate with credits.

https://m.163.com/dy/article/HLLUNHIB051...ss=adap_pc
https://www.uibe-mba.com/neir.php?id=996
https://zwfw.cscse.edu.cn/cscse/lxfwzxws...index.html

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Please look at this.

https://zwfw.cscse.edu.cn/cscse/lxfwzxws...index.html
https://www.uibe-mba.com/neir.php?id=996

This are chinese relationships with spanish education system. And they are from 2022. People have been evaluating their ENEB degrees favorably in 2023...

[Quackerz]

How fast can you finish an MBA in ENEB let`s say you put in 15 hours per week?

Very subjective, it's so different for everyone as people 'learn/study' so differently... 7.5 months for me to do the 3 in my signature...

And that was the format that required writing papers aka the "classic methodology," right?

ENEB claims in the attached email (emailed to me) that this new "agile methodology" is 80% faster.

[bjcheung77]

And that was the format that required writing papers aka the "classic methodology," right?

ENEB claims in the attached email (emailed to me) that this new "agile methodology" is 80% faster.

Yes, got them in 2020, these options for exams were out mid 2023... I still suggest the classic option vs the agile exam option... Both if it's free to do the exams, think of them as mid terms or a refresher quiz, something along those lines...

[Thorne]

Unfortunately, it is true that after the Spanish education reform the university's own title changed to Master's degree in lifelong education, which is not part of higher education.This information has been confirmed by Chinese government agencies and Spanish authorities.At the same time, the official Chinese accreditation service for international students no longer accredits the Spanish universities' own diplomas.Official Spanish degrees are not affected.The Master's Degree in Lifelong Education does provide university credits, but it is really only a training certificate with credits.

https://m.163.com/dy/article/HLLUNHIB051...ss=adap_pc
https://www.uibe-mba.com/neir.php?id=996
https://zwfw.cscse.edu.cn/cscse/lxfwzxws...index.html

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Please look at this.

https://zwfw.cscse.edu.cn/cscse/lxfwzxws...index.html
https://www.uibe-mba.com/neir.php?id=996

1. That does not mean the school "blew up" as you said before, but that the entire status quo of the Spanish university system has changed and they no longer are University-issued Master's Degrees in some subject exactly like they were before.
2. The change still means they are University-issued Master's degrees, but now their title is just as confusing as the title of the Harvard Extension School programs (Master of Extension Studies in XYZ when "Extension Studies" is not a field, just like this is a Master of Continuing Education in XYZ when "Continuing Education" is not a field of study either). Unlike HES, the accreditation behind these degrees is a fundamentally different system to people not in a Latinesque culture, so this just confounds things even more.
3. The change may render these substantially less useful moving forward, but that is not a shock.
4. Checking my already-issued diplomas according to Isabel's document verification system, I still am in possession of the Master's Degrees in various fields, they haven't retroactively changed my MBA to a MFP in Business.

If someone really wants a cheap Master's degree in this same format, they should look at Latin America rather than Spain, since Spain is radically changing the game.

[Xin]

It is true that it is from 2022, but the Spanish law came into force on 19 October 2023, in 2022 people got the Master title, after 19 October 2023 all Master titles changed and became MFP,Isabel's diploma also changed on the 19th of October, the content of the certificate is different from what it was before the 19th of October, you can see in the front the diploma I uploaded as an electroniccopy.On the Spanish website, the educational institution has stated that Isabel now issues the MFP.

https://www.farobs.com/es/business/maste...-sanitaria

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I have some information from the Chinese Internet, students claimed that the verification 2D code on the back of the diploma could not be scanned for any information for the December batch of graduates, I will continue to monitor the progress of the incident and post follow-ups in the forum.

[RoboPanda]

And also recently ENEB started charging for Isabel 1 certificate. Will be pissed if mine says Master of Ongoing Education in Business Administration.

[mancheseter24]

I think ENEB still has some value, but with all the addons, prices per copies, shipping, etc, it may be better to use a different European school.

[nykorn]

How fast can you finish an MBA in ENEB let`s say you put in 15 hours per week?

I think the fastest I saw anyone mention doing it via the "classic" method was 1.5-2 months. Total for the MBA: 68 modules (of roughly 4-10 pages of reading each), 68 quizzes (of 9-20 questions each), 13 essays (if 1.0 spacing) of 12 pages or less. And this isn't counting course videos, digital library books, outside research, and rereading because you forgot what you read the day before.

I read the Spanish law on the diploma changes as well as read a few blog posts by Spanish educators about it. It's way past my bedtime so I may have misunderstood something but here is what I took away:
- You can transfer up to 15 credits from a titulo propio into a titulo oficial. You can transfer ALL propio credits if that propio program gets replaced by an oficial program - obviously, this means the Spanish government does see the two education levels as basically equal but they just don't want to admit it.
- The Master's level propio now has a set name - any other level of propio doesn't. So we will probably see a shift of names and end up seeing propios of like 30 credits getting called Master something-something, and people holding THOSE sneakily-named propio will be able to get them past some FCEs.
- Titulo propio were born in the 1980s when something like 50% of adults in Spain had elementary school as their highest education. The country was too broke to fund public school education so they did various things to encourage the growth of the private school system - it worked. Since 1983 or so Spain has done a "big" reform of the education system around every 10 years, to try and make it match the rest of Europe's. This means the next big change will probably happen in around 2030 and I wouldn't be surprised if they will eventually phase out titulo propio since that era has served its purpose.

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I think ENEB still has some value, but with all the addons, prices per copies, shipping, etc, it may be better to use a different European school.

You don't need any addons (most schools don't offer the addons ENEB does anyways). You can print your degree yourself at a local place for $25-$65 (before shipping) depending on if you want gold foil or just raised ink. So $125-$200 for a degree + printing + tax. You could instead pay $100-$500 a year to go to a fully accredited Norwegian or Icelandic school. or something like that.

[Habitus]

I finished my first Master at ENEB beginning of October 2023 and still have not received a diploma. Which of course then should be the old "Título propio" one. I will sende them an email .... again.

[ecdw94]

I just bought the MBA & Master in Big Data and Business Intelligence via bjchuengs ambassador code, it does not say anything like MFB or Master of Dark Arts or whatever. It still says the same things as before. It would be confusing if UC1 certificate would be issued with different things written on it than ENEB since they are coupled.