ENEB Master Thread

[AlexGo]

I found more info about titulo propio in the Nordic countries (Sweden and Norway). Basically, in terms of academics admissions, you are far worse off than in North America:

- The ECTS of a titulo propio, if the credits transfer, will be transferred in to Nordic schools at face value (same amount Spain dictated), due to the Bologna Process.
- Titulo Propio are considered like polytechnical school or vocational school certificates in the Nordics. Within the Nordic system, vocational school credits are seen as separate from both high school and university credits, and they can't transfer into one of those other levels. Titulo propio do not give you the right to get student loans/grants (Lånekassen, Centrala studiestödsnämnden, etc). A finished titulo propio cannot be used in lieu of a high school diploma, Bachelor's degree, or Master's degree for school admissions - but they may be used to fulfill a separate entrance requirement (prerequisite) regarding proof of related knowledge in the subject.
- All documents must have either notarization by the state/country, or a stamped and signed version of the document issued by the school's academic registrar, degree department or other relevant department (something unsigned, signed by a random professor, or just signed by the rector doesn't count). Notarized documents can be copies but stamped and signed copies must be original.

Norway will use the official list from the Spanish Ministry of Education to see if your diploma is accredited or not. For Universidad Isabel I, the list only contains Graduado and Máster Universitario degrees:
https://www.educacion.gob.es/ruct/listae...versidades

- Despite all of this, as posted earlier in this thread, all degrees and diplomas from a European country including Spain can be used in the Nordics for employment, without the need for a Foreign Credit Evaluation or even a translation, as long as the career does not require a license.

Main Sources:
1) https://www.nokut.no/globalassets/nokut/...052017.pdf
2) https://www.universityadmissions.se/en/
3) https://www.ansa.no/land/studier-i-spania/

Can update on authentication now, WES canada denied authentication.Now that WES no longer accredits Isabel's accredited programs, the official degrees taught at Isabel are not affected.

I still waiting for my certificate. It's such a pity. It seems that it's better to complete everything as early as possible.

[RoboPanda]

I heard a piece of gossip. There was a Chinese tour guide in Greece last year. He lost his business because of COVID-19. That's when he graduated from ENEB. So he wrote an email to Ui1 about their relationship with ENEB. And he emailed WES to be sure to clarify the relationship between ENEB and Ui1.

Interesting.

[bjcheung77]

For those who aren't going the Canada route, you shouldn't be affected, the individual evaluation agencies mentioned on the WIKI should remain the same, I think the only changes would be the credit numbers for each class, it may be 2.5/2.75 credit or something along those lines... So, again, the bulk of us who are in the US aren't affected...

[nykorn]

Due to these events, I googled some stuff regarding immigration via unaccredited degrees.

- Some countries do not explicitly state anywhere in the laws that the degree you use to immigrate with has to be accredited. Instead what the law actually states is you must have (typically 1-3 years worth of) professional knowledge in the field. An accredited degree is only taken to be standard because it implicitly counts the same as years of work experience, so a 3 year Bachelor's degree counts as equal to 3 years of work experience. They usually only care about your highest degree, so a 1-year Master's would still count as equal to 4-5 years of work experience and (in many countries) you would not even need to submit your Bachelor's. If an unaccredited degree would not count as work experience it could still be used, alongside stuff like work history, a portfolio and certificate programs, as proof of experience for immigration - if that country's immigration accepts such a thing in the first place.

- Some countries do not accept unaccredited degrees for immigration if those degrees come from a foreign country, but they will accept an unaccredited degree that originates in their own country.

- Japan has accepted unaccredited schools for immigration and has even "not caught" diploma mill schools, and "not caught" entirely faked credentials (like, lower than even a diploma mill, a school and certificate that was completely made up by the individual person).

- In the past 2 years, the US has made it tougher to immigrate (removing accreditations which were once acceptable for immigration). Canada is making it easier for foreign residents who are already in Canada to become citizens, but I am not sure if they are making it easier to actually get that first visa in order to immigrate from outside of Canada. In the same timeframe, Japan has made it easier to immigrate.

I guess it's time to return to step 1, and just figure out what is the cheapest option that will accept the most ECTS from ENEB in order to turn it into an accredited degree.

[Xin]

For those who aren't going the Canada route, you shouldn't be affected, the individual evaluation agencies mentioned on the WIKI should remain the same, I think the only changes would be the credit numbers for each class, it may be 2.5/2.75 credit or something along those lines...  So, again, the bulk of us who are in the US aren't affected...

Looks like it's not that simple, someone got a rejection letter mentioning NACES, and it may be more than just WES that is affected!

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education.

[nykorn]

I heard a piece of gossip. There was a Chinese tour guide in Greece last year. He lost his business because of COVID-19. That's when he graduated from ENEB. So he wrote an email to Ui1 about their relationship with ENEB. And he emailed WES to be sure to clarify the relationship between ENEB and Ui1.

Was that WES Canada or WES USA? Because I have tried to message WES USA myself, and it is almost impossible. There is no Email address listed anywhere and they try to hide the message system. When you do figure out how to message, they just reply with a canned response. I highly doubt they actually investigate what anyone says in an Email.

However, when you google ENEB or even titulo propio and the other spanish degree names, our forum thread including images from it is the top result. And we have laid out everything completely bare for any FCE to read. We are not doing ourselves any favors.

I asked chat-gpt4 to google in English, Spanish and Chinese about your gossip, it didn't find anything.

Anyways, a reminder to anyone who is going through any ENEB program. There is a virtual library which is full of books, originally written in English, on all subjects taught (except apparently Spanish). There are several books for each section of a course, so I would say it could be a good idea to read the ENEB chapter first then read the relevant book from the virtual library after.

[Thorne]

Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

[Xin]

Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

It is no longer part of tertiary education. So it's not just WES that should be affected, in North America, Australia and New Zealand, the assessment bodies are likely to change their assessment of ENEB, WES has entered into a qualification accreditation partnership with New Zealand, and the WES report applies to New Zealand immigration applications, so recognition in New Zealand should also receive an impact, and New Zealand's change of view will affect Australia as well. At the same time, don't forget that WES is also a member of NACES, and in the future ENEB diplomas may only be applicable to some countries in Asia and South America. The European recognition should also be affected by the fact that it is no longer part of the higher education sector, and it is now more like a training certificate with European credits than a real master's program. Something somewhat similar is Coursera's ACE credit certificate program.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

[Xin]

I heard a piece of gossip. There was a Chinese tour guide in Greece last year. He lost his business because of COVID-19. That's when he graduated from ENEB. So he wrote an email to Ui1 about their relationship with ENEB. And he emailed WES to be sure to clarify the relationship between ENEB and Ui1.

Was that WES Canada or WES USA? Because I have tried to message WES USA myself, and it is almost impossible. There is no Email address listed anywhere and they try to hide the message system. When you do figure out how to message, they just reply with a canned response. I highly doubt they actually investigate what anyone says in an Email.

However, when you google ENEB or even titulo propio and the other spanish degree names, our forum thread including images from it is the top result. And we have laid out everything completely bare for any FCE to read. We are not doing ourselves any favors.

I asked chat-gpt4 to google in English, Spanish and Chinese about your gossip, it didn't find anything.

Anyways, a reminder to anyone who is going through any ENEB program. There is a virtual library which is full of books, originally written in English, on all subjects taught (except apparently Spanish). There are several books for each section of a course, so I would say it could be a good idea to read the ENEB chapter first then read the relevant book from the virtual library after.

The event is real, and the reason it can't be searched is that this discussion is taking place in a group in SimplifiedChinese.com's app, so Google won't be able to search for any public information. If you want to verify the information, you need to register the specific APP with your cell phone number and enter the relevant group to find this information.

The most important thing is Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education.

[Xin]

Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education.

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No longer part of higher education, meaning that he became a de facto vocational training certificate with some credits attached.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

It is no longer part of tertiary education. So it's not just WES that should be affected, in North America, Australia and New Zealand, the assessment bodies are likely to change their assessment of ENEB, WES has entered into a qualification accreditation partnership with New Zealand, and the WES report applies to New Zealand immigration applications, so recognition in New Zealand should also receive an impact, and New Zealand's change of view will affect Australia as well. At the same time, don't forget that WES is also a member of NACES, and in the future ENEB diplomas may only be applicable to some countries in Asia and South America. The European recognition should also be affected by the fact that it is no longer part of the higher education sector, and it is now more like a training certificate with European credits than a real master's program. Something somewhat similar is Coursera's ACE credit certificate program.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

"Blew up" in what sense? Got too popular for its own good, fell apart, or something else?

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

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Everbody, the school blew up , WES no longer accredits eneb programs

Spanish officials have confirmed that universities's own master's degree (Máster Propio) has been changed to the MFP diploma (Lifelong learning master's degree) and has been incorporated into the category of non-academic education, which is not part of higher education, and that the Spanish Máster Oficial/Máster Universitario is not affected.

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