ENEB Master Thread

[Dumber]

Dumber,

You have focused on what I didn't understand about your point. Fine. You're the best interpreter of yourself. I would still want to know the following though: what was your goal in taking this program?

I am not expressing a personal interpretation. Who cares about what I have to say, thus dumber? I am presenting information based on best in the industry professional judgment. FYI, I am a collector of affordable degrees.

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Dumber,

You have focused on what I didn't understand about your point. Fine. You're the best interpreter of yourself. I would still want to know the following though: what was your goal in taking this program? Also, who is this "very informed source"?

I have no interpretation. Eneb is non-accredited offering non-accredited masters. It looks I may been  blocked. Anyway, my source is best in the industry standards. FYI, I am a collector of affordable degrees.

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Dumber,

You have focused on what I didn't understand about your point. Fine. You're the best interpreter of yourself. I would still want to know the following though: what was your goal in taking this program? Also, who is this "very informed source"?

Have I been blocked?

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Dumber,

You have focused on what I didn't understand about your point. Fine. You're the best interpreter of yourself. I would still want to know the following though: what was your goal in taking this program?

I am not expressing a personal interpretation. Who cares about what I have to say, thus dumber? I am presenting information based on best in the industry professional judgment. FYI, I am a collector of affordable degrees.

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Dumber,

You have focused on what I didn't understand about your point. Fine. You're the best interpreter of yourself. I would still want to know the following though: what was your goal in taking this program? Also, who is this "very informed source"?

I have no interpretation. Eneb is non-accredited offering non-accredited masters. It looks I may been  blocked. Anyway, my source is best in the industry standards. FYI, I am a collector of affordable degrees.

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Dumber,

You have focused on what I didn't understand about your point. Fine. You're the best interpreter of yourself. I would still want to know the following though: what was your goal in taking this program? Also, who is this "very informed source"?

Have I been blocked?

I guess not as that would have been unfair. I know df is not a democracy, but appreciate being able to do my part in bringing a balance perspective to eneb.

[Vle045]

Getting close to the 1,000 mark on this thread. Fun.

ENEB is accredited by Universidad Isabel I. Yes, accredited by them. It works a little differently than the US because….. well…. They aren’t a US school. Let’s not go looking for invisible hairs to split. I doubt anyone thinks they are getting an American degree accredited by and American accreditor. https://eneb.com/accreditations/

So, obviously it won’t work for someone who requires a RA degree.

No one is trying to sell it as anything other than what it is. If a Spanish degree works, then so be it. Great price for what it is.

Maybe someone just likes learning. That works too.

Ya know what phrase I hate?…. Lipstick on a pig. Maybe the pig is super cute. And maybe the lipstick matches the bow her owner put on her and really makes her eyes pop.

And again, for the record…. ENEB is accredited appropriately according to Spain. Just because they aren’t accredited by HLC, or DEAC or something like that doesn’t make them non-accredited.

Now, can we please move on from that?

[Dumber]

Getting close to the 1,000 mark on this thread.  Fun.  

ENEB is accredited by Universidad Isabel I.  Yes, accredited by them.  It works a little differently than the US because….. well…. They aren’t a US school.   Let’s not go looking for invisible hairs to split.  I doubt anyone thinks they are getting an American degree accredited by and American accreditor.  https://eneb.com/accreditations/

So, obviously it won’t work for someone who requires a RA degree.

No one is trying to sell it as anything other than what it is.  If a Spanish degree works, then so be it.  Great price for what it is.

Maybe someone just likes learning.  That works too.

Ya know what phrase I hate?…. Lipstick on a pig.  Maybe the pig is super cute.  And maybe the lipstick matches the bow her owner put on her and really makes her eyes pop.  

And again, for the record…. ENEB is accredited appropriately according to Spain.  Just because they aren’t accredited by HLC, or DEAC or something like that doesn’t make them non-accredited.  

Now, can we please move on from that?

Your statement is false that Isabel accredited Eneb. Fact, Eneb is a non-accredited institution. This is more like it from your friend: The [fill in the blank} school is “a private entity that awards degrees and diplomas which exist outside the official titles sanctioned by the Ministry of Education and Science (MOES) in Spain. Because the School operates outside the purview of the MOES, these degree titles are not officially sanctioned by the government of Spain, and are not officially recognized, though they are valued by private employers…ACEI finally confirmed, after corresponding with the issuing institution, that this is a título propio program, which most evaluators agree are designed for employment purposes, not higher education.” (Source: https://www.scholaro.com/newsletters/The...l-2016.pdf).

[rachel83az]

Dumber,

You have focused on what I didn't understand about your point. Fine. You're the best interpreter of yourself. I would still want to know the following though: what was your goal in taking this program?

I am not expressing a personal interpretation. Who cares about what I have to say, thus dumber? I am presenting information based on best in the industry professional judgment. FYI, I am a collector of affordable degrees.

It really feels like you're trying to live up to your username, and I'm sure you're better than that. You are indeed presenting personal opinion as fact. The reality is that several people here have been able to use a degree from ENEB to meet whatever personal goals they might have. Even though nobody has ever said that this is a magical $300 degree that will work for everyone who needs a Master's, you seem bound and determined to somehow "prove" that it's not that magical degree. While it won't work for everyone, it's still an amazing deal if it will meet your goals.

I guess not as that would have been unfair. I know df is not a democracy, but appreciate being able to do my part in bringing a balance perspective to eneb.

The forum just... does this sometimes when one or more posts have previously been deleted from a given thread. It's pretty common. In the future, you should be able to see your post by opening a private/incognito window and visiting the forum without being logged in.

Also, your idea of bringing a "balanced perspective" is more like how Anakin brought "balance" to The Force by killing off all the Jedi.  

Getting close to the 1,000 mark on this thread.  Fun.  

ENEB is accredited by Universidad Isabel I.  Yes, accredited by them.  It works a little differently than the US because….. well…. They aren’t a US school.   Let’s not go looking for invisible hairs to split.  I doubt anyone thinks they are getting an American degree accredited by and American accreditor.  https://eneb.com/accreditations/

So, obviously it won’t work for someone who requires a RA degree.

No one is trying to sell it as anything other than what it is.  If a Spanish degree works, then so be it.  Great price for what it is.

Maybe someone just likes learning.  That works too.

Ya know what phrase I hate?…. Lipstick on a pig.  Maybe the pig is super cute.  And maybe the lipstick matches the bow her owner put on her and really makes her eyes pop.  

And again, for the record…. ENEB is accredited appropriately according to Spain.  Just because they aren’t accredited by HLC, or DEAC or something like that doesn’t make them non-accredited.  

Now, can we please move on from that?

Your statement is false that Isabel accredited Eneb. Fact, Eneb is a non-accredited institution. This is more like it from your friend: The [fill in the blank} school is “a private entity that awards degrees and diplomas which exist outside the official titles sanctioned by the Ministry of Education and Science (MOES) in Spain. Because the School operates outside the purview of the MOES, these degree titles are not officially sanctioned by the government of Spain, and are not officially recognized, though they are valued by private employers…ACEI finally confirmed, after corresponding with the issuing institution, that this is a título propio program, which most evaluators agree are designed for employment purposes, not higher education.” (Source: https://www.scholaro.com/newsletters/The...l-2016.pdf).

The Spanish degree system is not like the American or Canadian system. Being allowed to award Titulo Proprios is, in fact, a type of accreditation. Especially when that Titulo Proprio is granted in conjunction with a full university that is allowed to grant degrees. It's not completely unlike getting a Duke University or John Hopkins certificate through Coursera. Coursera, on its own, would mean absolutely nothing if it hadn't partnered with universities. Coursera is unaccredited and, if you get right down to it, nobody really cares who they are.

Your link got messed up, but I found the correct PDF. Even your own quote shows that they are "valued by employers", though. That, in itself, goes against your whole worthless and "lipstick on a pig" statement. Even AICE agrees that they have some value, whether or not they count as being equivalent to fully accredited US/Canadian degrees or not.

They're not going to be worth it for everyone, but as openair said: just about any degree can be considered to be worthless by someone. A degree is what you make of it. You can have a degree from Harvard and fail to get hired by anyone because you can't sell yourself and your degree. You can have a degree from a tiny little community college nobody ever heard of and go far because of your high ambitions. It's up to you and how you present yourself.

[Dumber]

Dumber,

You have focused on what I didn't understand about your point. Fine. You're the best interpreter of yourself. I would still want to know the following though: what was your goal in taking this program?

I am not expressing a personal interpretation. Who cares about what I have to say, thus dumber? I am presenting information based on best in the industry professional judgment. FYI, I am a collector of affordable degrees.

It really feels like you're trying to live up to your username, and I'm sure you're better than that. You are indeed presenting personal opinion as fact. The reality is that several people here have been able to use a degree from ENEB to meet whatever personal goals they might have. Even though nobody has ever said that this is a magical $300 degree that will work for everyone who needs a Master's, you seem bound and determined to somehow "prove" that it's not that magical degree. While it won't work for everyone, it's still an amazing deal if it will meet your goals.

I guess not as that would have been unfair. I know df is not a democracy, but appreciate being able to do my part in bringing a balance perspective to eneb.

The forum just... does this sometimes when one or more posts have previously been deleted from a given thread. It's pretty common. In the future, you should be able to see your post by opening a private/incognito window and visiting the forum without being logged in.

Also, your idea of bringing a "balanced perspective" is more like how Anakin brought "balance" to The Force by killing off all the Jedi.  

Getting close to the 1,000 mark on this thread.  Fun.  

ENEB is accredited by Universidad Isabel I.  Yes, accredited by them.  It works a little differently than the US because….. well…. They aren’t a US school.   Let’s not go looking for invisible hairs to split.  I doubt anyone thinks they are getting an American degree accredited by and American accreditor.  https://eneb.com/accreditations/

So, obviously it won’t work for someone who requires a RA degree.

No one is trying to sell it as anything other than what it is.  If a Spanish degree works, then so be it.  Great price for what it is.

Maybe someone just likes learning.  That works too.

Ya know what phrase I hate?…. Lipstick on a pig.  Maybe the pig is super cute.  And maybe the lipstick matches the bow her owner put on her and really makes her eyes pop.  

And again, for the record…. ENEB is accredited appropriately according to Spain.  Just because they aren’t accredited by HLC, or DEAC or something like that doesn’t make them non-accredited.  

Now, can we please move on from that?

Your statement is false that Isabel accredited Eneb. Fact, Eneb is a non-accredited institution. This is more like it from your friend: The [fill in the blank} school is “a private entity that awards degrees and diplomas which exist outside the official titles sanctioned by the Ministry of Education and Science (MOES) in Spain. Because the School operates outside the purview of the MOES, these degree titles are not officially sanctioned by the government of Spain, and are not officially recognized, though they are valued by private employers…ACEI finally confirmed, after corresponding with the issuing institution, that this is a título propio program, which most evaluators agree are designed for employment purposes, not higher education.” (Source: https://www.scholaro.com/newsletters/The...l-2016.pdf).

The Spanish degree system is not like the American or Canadian system. Being allowed to award Titulo Proprios is, in fact, a type of accreditation. Especially when that Titulo Proprio is granted in conjunction with a full university that is allowed to grant degrees. It's not completely unlike getting a Duke University or John Hopkins certificate through Coursera. Coursera, on its own, would mean absolutely nothing if it hadn't partnered with universities. Coursera is unaccredited and, if you get right down to it, nobody really cares who they are.

Your link got messed up, but I found the correct PDF. Even your own quote shows that they are "valued by employers", though. That, in itself, goes against your whole worthless and "lipstick on a pig" statement. Even AICE agrees that they have some value, whether or not they count as being equivalent to fully accredited US/Canadian degrees or not.

They're not going to be worth it for everyone, but as openair said: just about any degree can be considered to be worthless by someone. A degree is what you make of it. You can have a degree from Harvard and fail to get hired by anyone because you can't sell yourself and your degree. You can have a degree from a tiny little community college nobody ever heard of and go far because of your high ambitions. It's up to you and how you present yourself.

Almost everything you wrote here is all made up and non verifiable  . It is a one sided opinion. Also, I never said Eneb does not have any value. I have an eneb master. Eneb is a non-accredited institution offering non accredited master - nothing more nothing less.

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I must be doing something when the moderators are coming after me just by saying eneb is a non-accredited institution offering non-accredited masters.

[openair]

dumber,

Speaking of "insider sources", I can actually provide a quote from the representative of ECE, a member of NACES, showing how this popular credential evaluation agency broadly deals with non-official (propio) degrees from Spain. If you don't believe that this quote comes from the actual representative of the agency, you can e-mail ECE and ask whether this is truly their policy. You don't have to trust me. Here's the real quote:

"At ECE we do sometimes consider propio degrees (institutionally specific degrees, or titulo propios [own titles]) to be for credit, depending on the admission requirement and the profile of the student that the program is intended for. So depending on the individual degree, basically, we decide if a master propio is equivalent to a U.S. Master, or something else. Very often the same courses are taken as an oficial master universitario, and the study applies to later Doctor programs.

We do rely on a recognized institution offering validity to affiliated programs by their issuing of the final degree. Spanish universities are autonomous. With similar logic to giving credit to the propio degrees, we know that these institutions teach programs that lead to regular Spanish degrees, and if the courses would count for credit in those programs at that parent institution, we believe their study at the affiliated institution is equivalent to academic study in the U.S. and creditworthy."

At this point, you simply need to verify whether ENEB is really affiliated with Universidad Isabel I or not. Here's how you can do that:

https://www.ui1.es/centros-colaboradores

Do you see ENEB listed?

If so, then ECE would treat this affiliated program quite seriously due to the association with the recognized university.

Notice how ECE's treatment of affiliated institutions differs markedly from your approach.

[rachel83az]

Almost everything you wrote here is all made up and non verifiable  . It is a one sided opinion. Also, I never said Eneb does not have any value. I have an eneb master. Eneb is a non-accredited institution offering non accredited master - nothing more nothing less.

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I must be doing something when the moderators are coming after me just by saying eneb is a non-accredited institution offering non-accredited masters.

This really sounds like projection here. I mean, even your own sources are not saying what you claim that they're saying. 

But, hey, feel free to actually break down what I wrote instead of dismissing it all out of hand. 

I don't give a flying fig that you are saying the ENEB degree has no value (which you did say with your "lipstick on a pig" comment). I do care that you seem to be getting irrationally angry that other people aren't agreeing with your assessment, to the point of wanting the thread to be closed because someone pointed out a deal. That's just weird. If the degree has value, it's worth keeping the thread open. If it doesn't, or the thread has outlived its usefulness, it'll die a natural death as hundreds of other threads have done before it.

[Vle045]

Getting close to the 1,000 mark on this thread.  Fun.  

ENEB is accredited by Universidad Isabel I.  Yes, accredited by them.  It works a little differently than the US because….. well…. They aren’t a US school.   Let’s not go looking for invisible hairs to split.  I doubt anyone thinks they are getting an American degree accredited by and American accreditor.  https://eneb.com/accreditations/

So, obviously it won’t work for someone who requires a RA degree.

No one is trying to sell it as anything other than what it is.  If a Spanish degree works, then so be it.  Great price for what it is.

Maybe someone just likes learning.  That works too.

Ya know what phrase I hate?…. Lipstick on a pig.  Maybe the pig is super cute.  And maybe the lipstick matches the bow her owner put on her and really makes her eyes pop.  

And again, for the record…. ENEB is accredited appropriately according to Spain.  Just because they aren’t accredited by HLC, or DEAC or something like that doesn’t make them non-accredited.  

Now, can we please move on from that?

Your statement is false that Isabel accredited Eneb. Fact, Eneb is a non-accredited institution. This is more like it from your friend: The [fill in the blank} school is “a private entity that awards degrees and diplomas which exist outside the official titles sanctioned by the Ministry of Education and Science (MOES) in Spain. Because the School operates outside the purview of the MOES, these degree titles are not officially sanctioned by the government of Spain, and are not officially recognized, though they are valued by private employers…ACEI finally confirmed, after corresponding with the issuing institution, that this is a título propio program, which most evaluators agree are designed for employment purposes, not higher education.” (Source: https://www.scholaro.com/newsletters/The...l-2016.pdf).

They state on their website that they are accredited by Isabel.  I didn’t just make it up.  4th paragraph.
https://eneb.com/why-eneb/

you are going by an opinion from a third party and not the actual source. And that third party doesn’t even list ENEB (The European Business School of Barcelona) on their Unaccredited list. Hmmmmmm. https://www.scholaro.com/unaccredited-universities/

[cacoleman1983]

I bookmarked this link a few months ago and ENEB still has this page active for US students seeking a discount of $249 for a Masters/MBA degree during the Black Monday holiday sale of 2021 and has been up now for almost 8 months. I think they forgot about it.

https://eneb.com/black-november-mba-or-master/?mon=usd

Also, it will not hurt to just inquire or negotiate for a sale particularly for the $249 for one Masters or $299 for a MBA and a Masters whenever you fail to find a link or deal to sign up for one.

[Kal Di]

Since the Universidad Isabel 1 will also issue you a degree, you should list that on your resume and LinkedIn profile. You should also upload a digital copy of the UI1 degree within the education section of your LinkedIn profile to allow prospective employers to see it for themselves.

Bringing up Coursera and edX has left me confused. I'm working on a certificate on Coursera from Columbia University right now. The courses are on Coursera not Columbia's website. I'm also going to be completing a certificate on edX from RIT which again is on edX not RIT's website. So would leave Coursera and edX off when listing the certificates and just list Columbia and RIT? Man this stuff is so complicated these days!

List the university (rather than Coursera) on your resume or LinkedIn profile for each completed certificate. You should also upload a photo of each certificate to accompany the education listing on your profile, which can help explain why your certificate (from Coursera) couldn't be verified if they ran an education background check on you.

Now, there are exceptions. Some Coursera certificates have a disclaimer or disclosure at the bottom that says:

"Participation in this online specialization certificate does not constitute enrollment at this university."

OR

"This certificate does not affirm that this learner was enrolled as a student at this university."

In these cases, it would be best to list it as Coursera as the school (or Coursera via "INSERT NAME OF UNIVERSITY") to avoid misleading the prospective employer. After all, if they read the small print and you do not list it properly, it could reduce your chances of getting that job.