ENEB Master Thread

[cacoleman1983]

1) In the megathread, Dee12 finished a Masters in Project Management and it was evaluated at ECE as an undergraduate Bachelors (RA equivalent)
2) I think it was you or someone else who did the WES evaluation and got that as an unrecognized or non-accredited foreign Masters degree
3) Yes, I've been emailing the NACES organizations to find out for people who are curious, not just myself.

2) They usually term it as "Equivalent to U.S. non-accredited".

3) I've done this myself and it's like pulling teeth. They all have varying levels of unhelpfulness, but WES is the worst: they're unhelpful and unfriendly. They act like their information is sacred and you're committing a sin for asking about it.

I can't stand WES.  They evaluated one year of my partner's studies from the Phillippines as 34 credits by decreasing each course credit by one credit from the 13 courses he took.   His total ended up as 47 with 3 and 2 hour courses but each one was decreased to 2 and 1 hour courses.  The community college my partner attends did not accept the initial evaluation and WES would not change it stating that 1 year of studies equals to roughly 30 credit hours so they had to decrease the number to fit that range.  

I ended up having to improvise as an official higher education employee by changing the credit hours on the evaluation and resubmitting it for the community college to accept it.  I will never have anything evaluated with WES again for foreign studies.  They won't evaluate the Azteca/UCN PhD I will be getting anyway but if I decide to do ENEB, I will definitely go with IEE for both evaluations.

[eLearner]

I can't stand WES.  They evaluated one year of my partner's studies from the Phillippines as 34 credits by decreasing each course credit by one credit from the 13 courses he took.   His total ended up as 47 with 3 and 2 hour courses but each one was decreased to 2 and 1 hour courses.  The community college my partner attends did not accept the initial evaluation and WES would not change it stating that 1 year of studies equals to roughly 30 credit hours so they had to decrease the number to fit that range.  

I ended up having to improvise as an official higher education employee by changing the credit hours on the evaluation and submitting it for the community college to accept it.  I will never have anything evaluated with WES again for foreign studies.  They won't evaluate the Azteca/UCN PhD I will be getting anyway but if I decide to do ENEB, I will definitely go with IEE for both evaluations.

Whoooooa.

Well, sometimes a wrong has to be righted I suppose. But I'm curious, what was their explanation--if any--for the decrease?

[Dumber]

ENEB is unknown by the general public. Private employers might be familiar with Coursera and edX and the major universities and Fortune 500 companies that offer courses on their platform, but they're not going to be familiar with a Spanish school that doesn't have degree-granting authority.

They have degree-granting authority. They issue their own degrees both inside and outside of Spain.

I'm not sure the word "degree" exists anywhere on Eneb. But that is neither here nor there - I did not check. Eneb has legitimacy in Spain for what he does. I spent a great deal of time completing Eneb's master's courses. To assess foreign credentials, some institutions will prescribe individual evaluators; others don't care. In one of my experiences, ACE was the prescribed, then in another experience, WES was the prescribed. I think I had an evaluation for about a year, just for curiosity, and it returned non-accredited. Away the board knew, but it was ignored because WES is the problem for many of us here. I was a little rude after waiting because I didn't want the new members to be misled by a one-sided debate, in my view. (So my apology for being rude or dismissive to some). The new argument for Eneb is that employers don't care about accreditation-but we know that this is not true - it can get you to fire if that is the only credential you have or the credential that you got you hired.

[cacoleman1983]

I can't stand WES.  They evaluated one year of my partner's studies from the Phillippines as 34 credits by decreasing each course credit by one credit from the 13 courses he took.   His total ended up as 47 with 3 and 2 hour courses but each one was decreased to 2 and 1 hour courses.  The community college my partner attends did not accept the initial evaluation and WES would not change it stating that 1 year of studies equals to roughly 30 credit hours so they had to decrease the number to fit that range.  

I ended up having to improvise as an official higher education employee by changing the credit hours on the evaluation and submitting it for the community college to accept it.  I will never have anything evaluated with WES again for foreign studies.  They won't evaluate the Azteca/UCN PhD I will be getting anyway but if I decide to do ENEB, I will definitely go with IEE for both evaluations.

Whoooooa.

Well, sometimes a wrong has to be righted I suppose. But I'm curious, what was their explanation--if any--for the decrease?

This was WES Response:

WES converts study completed abroad into comparable U.S. semester credits. The number of credits on our evaluation reports corresponds to the normal credit load carried by a student enrolled in a similar program in the United States.
 
Using this approach WES allocates approximately 30 semester credits for each year of full-time study in a foreign education program. The credit conversion factor can be described mathematically as the target number of US credits divided by the total number of units required in the foreign education program.
We have reviewed your report and confirmed that it is correct. We would like to emphasize that WES evaluations are advisory opinions and not binding upon any institution or organization.
 
Sincerely,
 
Director of Evaluations

[eLearner]

This was WES Response:

WES converts study completed abroad into comparable U.S. semester credits. The number of credits on our evaluation reports corresponds to the normal credit load carried by a student enrolled in a similar program in the United States.
 
Using this approach WES allocates approximately 30 semester credits for each year of full-time study in a foreign education program. The credit conversion factor can be described mathematically as the target number of US credits divided by the total number of units required in the foreign education program.
We have reviewed your report and confirmed that it is correct. We would like to emphasize that WES evaluations are advisory opinions and not binding upon any institution or organization.
 
Sincerely,
 
Director of Evaluations

Thanks for sharing that information!

Yeah, these evaluators sure have a way with words to defend their decisions and at least that one is not as convoluted as the one ECE gave. Still, shaving credits is baloney if it means shaving off something vital just to fit a rigid parameter. These organizations need to remember that they're not simply dealing with numbers, they're dealing with people's lives and often times the ultimate direction of those lives based on the evaluations they deliver.

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I'm not sure the word "degree" exists anywhere on Eneb. But that is neither here nor there - I did not check. Eneb has legitimacy in Spain for what he does. I spent a great deal of time completing Eneb's master's courses. To assess foreign credentials, some institutions will prescribe individual evaluators; others don't care. In one of my experiences, ACE was the prescribed, then in another experience, WES was the prescribed. I think I had an evaluation for about a year, just for curiosity, and it returned non-accredited. Away the board knew, but it was ignored because WES is the problem for many of us here. I was a little rude after waiting because I didn't want the new members to be misled by a one-sided debate, in my view. (So my apology for being rude or dismissive to some). The new argument for Eneb is that employers don't care about accreditation-but we know that this is not true - it can get you to fire if that is the only credential you have or the credential that you got you hired.

From what I've seen, some schools there don't put the word "degree" (licenciatura) on the diploma while others do: https://www.etitulo.com/en/about/

On the accreditation part, I agree that the employers who know about accreditation and/or care accreditation will make a deal of it. The question is, how many know or care? With so many people with fake degrees getting jobs every day (LinkedIn is filled with them) I tend to think that worrying about how an employer will view a legitimate degree is not worth the energy drain. With foreign degrees my position is (if one has any concern) to get an FCE done, and then make a decision from there on what to do with the degree. It's not expected that the individual will openly disclose the accreditation status of their program except for where there should be a moral obligation like when a person has a fake degree, but in that case if the person has a fake degree and is trying to pass it off he/she isn't very moral to begin with.

[Kal Di]

On the accreditation part, I agree that the employers who know about accreditation and/or care accreditation will make a deal of it. The question is, how many know or care? With so many people with fake degrees getting jobs every day (LinkedIn is filled with them) I tend to think that worrying about how an employer will view a legitimate degree is not worth the energy drain. With foreign degrees my position is (if one has any concern) to get an ECE done, and then make a decision from there on what to do with the degree. It's not expected that the individual will openly disclose the accreditation status of their program except for where there should be a moral obligation like when a person has a fake degree, but in that case if the person has a fake degree and is trying to pass it off he/she isn't very moral to begin with.

It's usually the government employers and the biggest private sector employers that care about accreditation. If some graduates think they'll be interested in working for one of those companies in the future, they should get a regionally or nationally accredited degree from their country. If they have no interest in working for those employers, a titulo propio degree (e.g. ENEB) will probably have the best value.

ENEB is a recognized school that is awarding degrees equivalent to what we consider in the USA as state approved degrees. Therefore, those degrees will be legal to use in the states based on the laws of those individual states.

Example: I completed a master herbalist program at the Academy of Natural Health Sciences. It isn't regionally or nationally accredited, but it's approved by the NJ Department of Education. I knew several alumnis who used their certificates, diplomas, or certifications to get local jobs in the private sector.

Now, if one of them used that credential to apply for a job in a state on the West Coast, I don't know if that credential would be as helpful because some states may have different laws regarding the practice of those health modalities. However, it seems to be useful for some alumni looking to get health related jobs in most of the Mid-Atlantic states. Their program offerings are as affordable as ENEB, but it has its limitations in use (like other state approved and foreign schools).

Most private sector employers will care about one's university (or technical / trade school) education to an extent if their posted job has that requirement. From the applicant's resume, they'll usually check the website of the school to ensure its existence and ask to see the degree (or diploma / certificate) rather than care about the school's name or its accreditation. They may also do a Google search to learn more about the online public opinions of the school.

Getting a foreign degree evaluation from several evaluators can help you make a good decision on what to do with the degree, but I don't think it's necessary in most cases within the private sector.

If one wants a degree without any limitations in their field, one should get a regionally or nationally accredited degree in their country. Otherwise, a titulo propio (or state approved degree, diploma, or certificate) is useful as long as one is aware of its limitations.

[eLearner]

On the accreditation part, I agree that the employers who know about accreditation and/or care accreditation will make a deal of it. The question is, how many know or care? With so many people with fake degrees getting jobs every day (LinkedIn is filled with them) I tend to think that worrying about how an employer will view a legitimate degree is not worth the energy drain. With foreign degrees my position is (if one has any concern) to get an ECE done, and then make a decision from there on what to do with the degree. It's not expected that the individual will openly disclose the accreditation status of their program except for where there should be a moral obligation like when a person has a fake degree, but in that case if the person has a fake degree and is trying to pass it off he/she isn't very moral to begin with.

It's usually the government employers and the biggest private sector employers that care about accreditation. If some graduates think they'll be interested in working for one of those companies in the future, they should get a regionally or nationally accredited degree from their country. If they have no interest in working for those employers, a titulo propio degree (e.g. ENEB) will probably have the best value.

ENEB is a recognized school that is awarding degrees equivalent to what we consider in the USA as state approved degrees. Therefore, those degrees will be legal to use in the states based on the laws of those individual states.

Example: I completed a master herbalist program at the Academy of Natural Health Sciences. It isn't regionally or nationally accredited, but it's approved by the NJ Department of Education. I knew several alumnis who used their certificates, diplomas, or certifications to get local jobs in the private sector.

Now, if one of them used that credential to apply for a job in a state on the West Coast, I don't know if that credential would be as helpful because some states may have different laws regarding the practice of those health modalities. However, it seems to be useful for some alumni looking to get health related jobs in most of the Mid-Atlantic states. Their program offerings are as affordable as ENEB, but it has its limitations in use (like other state approved and foreign schools).  

Most private sector employers will care about one's university (or technical / trade school) education to an extent if their posted job has that requirement. From the applicant's resume, they'll usually check the website of the school to ensure its existence and ask to see the degree (or diploma / certificate) rather than care about the school's name or its accreditation. They may also do a Google search to learn more about the online public opinions of the school.

Getting a foreign degree evaluation from several evaluators can help you make a good decision on what to do with the degree, but I don't think it's necessary in most cases within the private sector.  

If one wants a degree without any limitations in their field, one should get a regionally or nationally accredited degree in their country. Otherwise, a titulo propio (or state approved degree, diploma, or certificate) is useful as long as one is aware of its limitations.

I'm curious: in the post you replied to, I wrote "FCE" to shorten foreign credential evaluation. But in your reply my quote reads "ECE". Did you edit that?


About evaluations, getting an FCE comes down to what you want to do with your degree. Most people won't need one, but others may want to take advantage of some of the options we've all discussed in the past by having a positive evaluation. 

One other thing to be aware of is that the favor of a foreign school with evaluators can change for the worse in the future. Schools can go from accepted to blacklisted with an evaluator any time. An evaluation is usually good for a number of years, so having an evaluation (and ideally a positive one) while the opportunity is still available can be an insurance policy for the future in case you wind up wanting to later do something you hadn't anticipated during the time when you took the degree program.

[Kal Di]

On the accreditation part, I agree that the employers who know about accreditation and/or care accreditation will make a deal of it. The question is, how many know or care? With so many people with fake degrees getting jobs every day (LinkedIn is filled with them) I tend to think that worrying about how an employer will view a legitimate degree is not worth the energy drain. With foreign degrees my position is (if one has any concern) to get an FCE done, and then make a decision from there on what to do with the degree. It's not expected that the individual will openly disclose the accreditation status of their program except for where there should be a moral obligation like when a person has a fake degree, but in that case if the person has a fake degree and is trying to pass it off he/she isn't very moral to begin with.

It's usually the government employers and the biggest private sector employers that care about accreditation. If some graduates think they'll be interested in working for one of those companies in the future, they should get a regionally or nationally accredited degree from their country. If they have no interest in working for those employers, a titulo propio degree (e.g. ENEB) will probably have the best value.

ENEB is a recognized school that is awarding degrees equivalent to what we consider in the USA as state approved degrees. Therefore, those degrees will be legal to use in the states based on the laws of those individual states.

Example: I completed a master herbalist program at the Academy of Natural Health Sciences. It isn't regionally or nationally accredited, but it's approved by the NJ Department of Education. I knew several alumnis who used their certificates, diplomas, or certifications to get local jobs in the private sector.

Now, if one of them used that credential to apply for a job in a state on the West Coast, I don't know if that credential would be as helpful because some states may have different laws regarding the practice of those health modalities. However, it seems to be useful for some alumni looking to get health related jobs in most of the Mid-Atlantic states. Their program offerings are as affordable as ENEB, but it has its limitations in use (like other state approved and foreign schools).  

Most private sector employers will care about one's university (or technical / trade school) education to an extent if their posted job has that requirement. From the applicant's resume, they'll usually check the website of the school to ensure its existence and ask to see the degree (or diploma / certificate) rather than care about the school's name or its accreditation. They may also do a Google search to learn more about the online public opinions of the school.

Getting a foreign degree evaluation from several evaluators can help you make a good decision on what to do with the degree, but I don't think it's necessary in most cases within the private sector.  

If one wants a degree without any limitations in their field, one should get a regionally or nationally accredited degree in their country. Otherwise, a titulo propio (or state approved degree, diploma, or certificate) is useful as long as one is aware of its limitations.

I'm curious: in the post you replied to, I wrote "FCE" to shorten foreign credential evaluation. But in your reply my quote reads "ECE". Did you edit that?


About evaluations, getting an FCE comes down to what you want to do with your degree. Most people won't need one, but others may want to take advantage of some of the options we've all discussed in the past by having a positive evaluation. 

One other thing to be aware of is that the favor of a foreign school with evaluators can change for the worse in the future. Schools can go from accepted to blacklisted with an evaluator any time. An evaluation is usually good for a number of years, so having an evaluation (and ideally a positive one) while the opportunity is still available can be an insurance policy for the future in case you wind up wanting to later do something you hadn't anticipated during the time when you took the degree program.

I did and I'm sorry that I misunderstood the abbreviation. I thought you were referring to the foreign evaluator, ECE. Nevertheless, I agree with you about the usefulness of a positive FCE.

[durain]

Helping someone who need to know how to  transfer ENEB Postgraduate Program in Logistics and Supply Chain ECTS credits to Excelsior College Bsc degree. He is still confuse after reading most of the relevant posting in this forum.

1. For international transcripts,  Educational Credential Evaluators (ECE) is the only evaluation agency approved by Excelsior for Bachelor program.
   This is not negotiable. Right?

2. Request ENEB to forward the Postgraduate transcripts  to ECE directly. Correct?

3. What is the total cost charge by ENEB for the above transcript service?

[Dumber]

Helping someone who need to know how to  transfer ENEB Postgraduate Program in Logistics and Supply Chain ECTS credits to Excelsior College Bsc degree. He is still confuse after reading most of the relevant posting in this forum.

1. For international transcripts,  Educational Credential Evaluators (ECE) is the only evaluation agency approved by Excelsior for Bachelor program.
   This is not negotiable. Right?

2. Request ENEB to forward the Postgraduate transcripts  to ECE directly. Correct?

3. What is the total cost charge by ENEB for the above transcript service?

There are many experts here on Eneb so you should have decisive responses from them. I did eneb evaluation out of curiosity from WES. It came back non-accredited for institution, credits, and degree. The transcript from eneb was really  expensive. The evaluation process was more expensive than the program. I did another degree after Eneb from tesu but all eneb’s credits were ignored. I do hope ECE comes back accredited at least to earn some undergraduate credits and it will be very for many people here. From my experience, you will need to do ece as prescribed by excelsior. This may be situation where you can’t do evaluation shopping.