ENEB Master Thread

[monchevy]

At this point they might as well just give it away.

[josephaugustus]

Got it!   So MCA is essentially trying to replace the need of a foreign evaluation by being located here in the USA.  Looking at their current price and the fact they have no solid recognition,  its best to stick with a foreign evaluator.

I mean, we can reasonably speculate that's one of their reasons for it, but only speculate. 

The ENEB-MCA deal simply needed to include a transcript from MCA and then it would've been a great deal. Without it, it's junk because virtually no school in the United States will accept a degree without a transcript. And, if an employer asks for it you're screwed there, too.

From ENEB:

We sent this email just to inform you that with the request of the International MBA we are sending the transcript of the IMBA materials from MCA

It shows the program and the number of hours for each course material. We have attached an image of the document so that you can see whether or not it is of interest to you to ask for validation.

They also sent me an image of an MCA transcript. Apparently, MCA / ENEB complied with the request, because I questioned that without it the MCA diploma would have no value.

[eLearner]

Got it!   So MCA is essentially trying to replace the need of a foreign evaluation by being located here in the USA.  Looking at their current price and the fact they have no solid recognition,  its best to stick with a foreign evaluator.

I mean, we can reasonably speculate that's one of their reasons for it, but only speculate. 

The ENEB-MCA deal simply needed to include a transcript from MCA and then it would've been a great deal. Without it, it's junk because virtually no school in the United States will accept a degree without a transcript. And, if an employer asks for it you're screwed there, too.

From ENEB:

We sent this email just to inform you that with the request of the International MBA we are sending the transcript of the IMBA materials from MCA

It shows the program and the number of hours for each course material. We have attached an image of the document so that you can see whether or not it is of interest to you to ask for validation.

They also sent me an image of an MCA transcript. Apparently, MCA / ENEB complied with the request, because I questioned that without it the MCA diploma would have no value.

That is great news! Shows they're willing to listen and adjust.

Curious:

1. Does the transcript also include the grades for each course? (Letter grades or number grades?)

2. Does it include a GPA?

3. Is ENEB mentioned on the transcript at all?

[cacoleman1983]

As I reflect on MCA, I think I know why they are offering the validation scheme to Americans. We have seen evaluations that shortchange the Master Propio by giving it a Bachelors degree with RA accreditation and a Masters degree w/o RA accreditation. The certification from Universidad Isabel I attempts to equate to the RA accreditation. MCA is validating the Master Propio so it gives the Masters degree an official status. Thus a NACES evaluator may more reasonably give the desired U.S. Masters with RA accreditation.

[eLearner]

As I reflect on MCA, I think I know why they are offering the validation scheme to Americans.   We have seen evaluations that shortchange the Master Propio by giving it a Bachelors degree with  RA accreditation and a Masters degree w/o RA accreditation.    The certification from Universidad Isabel I attempts to equate to the RA accreditation.  MCA is validating the Master Propio so it gives the Masters degree an official status.  Thus a NACES evaluator may more reasonably give the desired U.S. Masters with RA accreditation.

That would be fair, it's just sad that the evaluators aren't trying to be. Luckily, MCA is based in the good 'ol US of A, so a proper transcript from them will allow students to sidestep the craziness of the foreign degree evaluators altogether. By comparison to degrees designated under the RA/NA system, fewer but enough schools will accept an unaccredited American Masters so now students can go straight to the school they want to pursue and take an opportunity.

This almost reminds me of the old credit-banking thing some of the test-out style programs used to do (and maybe some still do I just haven't checked on that in years). I remember back when you could bank-in close to if not 100% of your credits and be conferred a degree from the banking school, but I do know that some of these schools now require a certain amount of original credits be completed with them no matter how many eligible credits you have.

[cacoleman1983]

As I reflect on MCA, I think I know why they are offering the validation scheme to Americans.   We have seen evaluations that shortchange the Master Propio by giving it a Bachelors degree with  RA accreditation and a Masters degree w/o RA accreditation.    The certification from Universidad Isabel I attempts to equate to the RA accreditation.  MCA is validating the Master Propio so it gives the Masters degree an official status.  Thus a NACES evaluator may more reasonably give the desired U.S. Masters with RA accreditation.

That would be fair, it's just sad that the evaluators aren't trying to be. Luckily, MCA is based in the good 'ol US of A, so a proper transcript from them will allow students to sidestep the craziness of the foreign degree evaluators altogether. By comparison to degrees designated under the RA/NA system, fewer but enough schools will accept an unaccredited American Masters so now students can go straight to the school they want to pursue and take an opportunity.

This almost reminds me of the old credit-banking thing some of the test-out style programs used to do (and maybe some still do I just haven't checked on that in years). I remember back when you could bank-in close to if not 100% of your credits and be conferred a degree from the banking school, but I do know that some of these schools now require a certain amount of original credits be completed with them no matter how many eligible credits you have.

I'm thinking about contacting SpanTran or IEE and see how they would evaluate MCA validation and Universidad Isabel I certification of ENEB.  You get graduate credit evaluated from both of them but I wonder would they give a Masters degree w/ accreditation equivalency if both are presented with the ENEB diploma and transcript.

[eLearner]

I'm thinking about contacting SpanTran or IEE and see how they would evaluate MCA validation and Universidad Isabel I certification of ENEB.  You get graduate credit evaluated from both of them but I wonder would they give a Masters degree w/ accreditation equivalency if both are presented with the ENEB diploma and transcript.

I can't see anything coming from that. The evaluators are going to evaluate the ENEB degree as its own standalone credential just as they do right now. MCA will be issuing its own degree and--if I understand the information correctly--its own transcript, all of which is American-based and not eligible for foreign degree evaluation. The evaluators may take outside relationships into consideration but MCA will be looked at as a separate situation as well and wouldn't have any changing effect on the ENEB degree evaluation... that is, unless MCA goes bad and then ENEB could get itself blacklisted due to bad associations.

[cacoleman1983]

I'm thinking about contacting SpanTran or IEE and see how they would evaluate MCA validation and Universidad Isabel I certification of ENEB.  You get graduate credit evaluated from both of them but I wonder would they give a Masters degree w/ accreditation equivalency if both are presented with the ENEB diploma and transcript.

I can't see anything coming from that. The evaluators are going to evaluate the ENEB degree as its own standalone credential just as they do right now. MCA will be issuing its own degree and--if I understand the information correctly--its own transcript, all of which is American-based and not eligible for foreign degree evaluation. The evaluators may take outside relationships into consideration but MCA will be looked at as a separate situation as well and wouldn't have any changing effect on the ENEB degree evaluation... that is, unless MCA goes bad and then ENEB could get itself blacklisted due to bad associations.

ECE evaluated the ENEB degree as coming from Universidad Isabel I with the wrong degree but RA accreditation. I guess one would need to pick which school they want evaluated out of the two.   WES ignored the Universidad Isabel I certification although my analysis points to it being used to give it a Masters degree equivalency without accreditation since ENEB nor the Master Propio itself is official.   Regardless of how interesting this all is and very confusing, a vast majority of people will not need an evaluation since they are already in the US.   A non accredited degree outside of academia still counts in the professional world as many in job postings don't distinguish between accredited and non accredited.  Provided that it is a reputable school, it ultimately won't matter even for government jobs because it is still legitimate training.

[eLearner]

I'm thinking about contacting SpanTran or IEE and see how they would evaluate MCA validation and Universidad Isabel I certification of ENEB.  You get graduate credit evaluated from both of them but I wonder would they give a Masters degree w/ accreditation equivalency if both are presented with the ENEB diploma and transcript.

I can't see anything coming from that. The evaluators are going to evaluate the ENEB degree as its own standalone credential just as they do right now. MCA will be issuing its own degree and--if I understand the information correctly--its own transcript, all of which is American-based and not eligible for foreign degree evaluation. The evaluators may take outside relationships into consideration but MCA will be looked at as a separate situation as well and wouldn't have any changing effect on the ENEB degree evaluation... that is, unless MCA goes bad and then ENEB could get itself blacklisted due to bad associations.

ECE evaluated the ENEB degree as coming from Universidad Isabel I with the wrong degree but RA accreditation. I guess one would need to pick which school they want evaluated out of the two.   WES ignored the Universidad Isabel I certification although my analysis points to it being used to give it a Masters degree equivalency without accreditation since ENEB nor the Master Propio itself is official.   Regardless of how interesting this all is and very confusing, a vast majority of people will not need an evaluation since they are already in the US.   A non accredited degree outside of academia still counts in the professional world as many in job postings don't distinguish between accredited and non accredited.  Provided that it is a reputable school, it ultimately won't matter even for government jobs because it is still legitimate training.

That is a good point with the ECE evaluation. I've never really been sure if that set a precedent for ECE with this program, or if it was a one-off situation. I think they confused everybody with not just the Bachelor's equivalency decision, but how they arrived at it.

[Vle045]

Overall, I am very unimpressed with MCA. I don’t think it has much additional value.