Concentration and Minors on Diploma

[FrHaseKopf]

Hi everyone, I have a question, If I understand correctly:

-Minors will be printed on the diploma, but concentrations not? 

Because I saw someone posted a picture of BABA diploma, the concentrations were not on it. And someone mentioned that Minors will be on the BLS diploma. 

I'm looking for an IT-related bachelor degree. I have a lot of business credits, though BABA with a PM/IS concentration sounds better than BLS with MIS, but if it doesn't show on the diploma, it's not very helpful for me.  I have seen discussions on BABA with a MIS minor, has anyone succeeded in adding that on their diploma? 

Thanks!

[Holmes]

The diploma does not matter in anything. What matters is the transcript and that will state you degree, major and concentration.

You will NOT submit your diploma to a company nor to a graduate school nor to any one for that matter. All they need to see is your transcript. And you will list your degree in your CV the way you want: Bachelor's degree in Business Administration (Project Management and Information Systems Concentration).

[rachel83az]

The diploma only really matters for something pretty to hang on your wall. Even then, IMO, a BABA looks better than a BLS.

[ss20ts]

The BLS lists your minors on the diploma. It doesn't really matter what's on your diploma. Your diploma is really something for you to hang on a wall or stuff into a folder. What matters is the transcripts. The transcripts list out all majors, minors, concentrations, GPAs, grades, graduation dates, and Latin honors.

Also none of the degrees at UMPI are IT degrees. If you don't already have a career or experience in IT, none of their degrees will truly prepare you for working in IT. I know because I completed the MIS and Project Management minors. I have taken every class required for the PM Concentration as well. There's no IT at all in the PM minor courses. The Database Management class does NOT prepare you for working databases. You make a small Access database as the Final Assessment. This does not prepare anyone to use Oracle or anything else.

[Holmes]

Also none of the degrees at UMPI are IT degrees. If you don't already have a career or experience in IT, none of their degrees will truly prepare you for working in IT. I know because I completed the MIS and Project Management minors. I have taken every class required for the PM Concentration as well. There's no IT at all in the PM minor courses. The Database Management class does NOT prepare you for working databases. You make a small Access database as the Final Assessment. This does not prepare anyone to use Oracle or anything else.

Your assessment is true. However, some people need the degree for reasons other than preparation for work! It's enough to have an IT-related degree, a degree that mentions IT, IS, CIS ... etc in its major or concentration.

On the other hand, let's see what UMPI said on their website:

The program prepares students for careers in project management, computer programming, data processing, computer engineering, database administration and networking analysis and design.

I believe that their description is not accurate at all (unless they actually meant: with the proper electives), but it is enough to demonstrate that they see that concentration as an IT-related one. (I know it's from umpi.edu, not online.umpi.edu. But YourPace is almost identical to the on-campus degree).

Also, and I have said that before, this degree is very similar to TESU's BSBA in CIS, barring a few courses here and there (that can be easily transferred in as electives. TESU's AOS is 18 credits, while UMPI's electives are 18-21 credits). If TESU's degree is considered an IT degree or an IT-related one, I don't see why UMPI's isn't.

[ss20ts]

I've taken all of the courses for the MIS and Project Management Minors on YourPace and I know I am not at all prepared to join the land of IT except in project management. I am not prepared to work in databases, analyze analytics, or program. Yet, I've completed all of those courses at UMPI. The on campus courses are DRASTICALLY different than the YourPace courses. BUS141 which is Introduction to Project Management with Microsoft Project. is an entirely different course on campus. We never touch Microsoft Project in the YourPace version. In BUS245 Programming for Managers you don't actually learn how to program. You don't even learn a single language. Yes, your Final Assessment is creating a program with the instructions given but that class is a cluster f as my professor called it. Like I said, you're not really prepared for these things unless you already have experience or knowledge from outside of YourPace. You're not prepared to go from a school bus driver to a developer or DBA.

[Holmes]

I've taken all of the courses for the MIS and Project Management Minors on YourPace and I know I am not at all prepared to join the land of IT except in project management. I am not prepared to work in databases, analyze analytics, or program. Yet, I've completed all of those courses at UMPI. The on campus courses are DRASTICALLY different than the YourPace courses. BUS141 which is Introduction to Project Management with Microsoft Project. is an entirely different course on campus. We never touch Microsoft Project in the YourPace version. In BUS245 Programming for Managers you don't actually learn how to program. You don't even learn a single language. Yes, your Final Assessment is creating a program with the instructions given but that class is a cluster f as my professor called it. Like I said, you're not really prepared for these things unless you already have experience or knowledge from outside of YourPace. You're not prepared to go from a school bus driver to a developer or DBA.

Again, you are correct. I don't see that the degree is an IT one per se. And I'm not saying that it prepares you for an IT career! (In fact, most IT bachelor degrees are weaker than a good bootcamp or udacity nanodegree!). All I'm saying is that some people do NOT need the degree for preparation. Check my comment again.

With regards to YourPace being inferior to the on-campus: I don't see why this is the case only with regards to the IS portion of YourPace! If it is THAT bad, then all majors, concentrations and minors will be affected.

I now remembered a guy that I met before. He has a bachelor's degree in Computer Science, and another master's degree in Cyber Security from SNU, the #1 ranked university in South Korea. Yet, he can barely write HTML code! and he does not work in IT at all.

[ss20ts]

I've taken all of the courses for the MIS and Project Management Minors on YourPace and I know I am not at all prepared to join the land of IT except in project management. I am not prepared to work in databases, analyze analytics, or program. Yet, I've completed all of those courses at UMPI. The on campus courses are DRASTICALLY different than the YourPace courses. BUS141 which is Introduction to Project Management with Microsoft Project. is an entirely different course on campus. We never touch Microsoft Project in the YourPace version. In BUS245 Programming for Managers you don't actually learn how to program. You don't even learn a single language. Yes, your Final Assessment is creating a program with the instructions given but that class is a cluster f as my professor called it. Like I said, you're not really prepared for these things unless you already have experience or knowledge from outside of YourPace. You're not prepared to go from a school bus driver to a developer or DBA.

Again, you are correct. I don't see that the degree is an IT one per se. And I'm not saying that it prepares you for an IT career! (In fact, most IT bachelor degrees are weaker than a good bootcamp or udacity nanodegree!). All I'm saying is that some people do NOT need the degree for preparation. Check my comment again.

With regards to YourPace being inferior to the on-campus: I don't see why this is the case only with regards to the IS portion of YourPace! If it is THAT bad, then all majors, concentrations and minors will be affected.

I now remembered a guy that I met before. He has a bachelor's degree in Computer Science, and another master's degree in Cyber Security from SNU, the #1 ranked university in South Korea. Yet, he can barely write HTML code! and he does not work in IT at all.

I know what your comment was. You have posted repeatedly that the YourPace degrees should be considered IT degrees because a degree at TESU is one. You're comparing batteries to apples. 

YourPace isn't designed to instruct you like the on campus programs. YourPace is designed to test your knowledge which is not what takes place on campus. Also the course content is VERY lacking in many classes. The course names in YourPace rarely match those on campus. The course descriptions are on campus courses not YourPace. This is something I have told them repeatedly they need to correct. Both issues actually - the course names and the descriptions. 

Or course a guy who isn't working in IT can barely write HTML.....you lose it if you don't use it.

[Holmes]

Forget YourPace now and answer this simple question: do you believe that the on-campus BABA in PM and IS is in fact an IT degree?

If you say "yes", then the YourPace is as well, because what matters in the end is the degree's name. (Remeber that Purdue's IT will give the student ALL software engineering credits for the w3school's PHP cert, which is garbage).

If you say "no", then all your YourPace criticism is irrelevant anyways, and I want to know why they mention "Information Systems".

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Or course a guy who isn't working in IT can barely write HTML.....you lose it if you don't use it

He did not have it in the first place, and yet he managed to pass both bachelor's and master's degrees. So if the criteria is the "preparation", then he does not have a degree at all.

What matters for almost every valid purpose is the official name of the degree, whether it is needed for immigration purposes or job related purposes. If someone needs a degree to prepare himself for work then he is wrong. IT and CS resources are out there for free and they are far better than most degrees.

[ss20ts]

My MIS and PM minors do not say anything about IS. I didn't get my PM minor for anything related to IT. I'm done with this conversation with you as above you've said no matter what my answers are you won't approve of them. Maybe you should spend your time on your UMPI degree instead of harassing me. It's funny how you've pmed me with numerous questions about UMPI and here you are giving me a hard time. Go ask someone else your questions from now on. I'm done with you.