CIP Codes Warning

[sanantone]

This doesn't matter for federal civilian jobs; I can't speak for DoD jobs. HR specialists will look at the degree name and courses. Sometimes, they misclassify degrees because of the title. I was disqualified for a job because my transcript said PhD and "Research" instead of "Criminal Justice." I sent an email to the HR specialist and all was well. My courses made it obvious that the major was criminal justice. To be honest, this shouldn't have been pinned because it's making people freak out for no reason. I've had four jobs with the federal government, several more job offers, many interviews, and many more referrals.

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Something else - to the federal government, 24 credit hours is equivalent to a major. Even if your major or official concentration is not something that is required for the job, if you took 24 semester hours in that subject, you've met the education requirement. The BSBA in CIS at TESU only requires 18 CIS credits, so there shouldn't be an expectation that it'll count as an IT degree.

[Ares]

This doesn't matter for federal civilian jobs; I can't speak for DoD jobs. HR specialists will look at the degree name and courses. [...] To be honest, this shouldn't have been pinned because it's making people freak out for no reason. I've had four jobs with the federal government, several more job offers, many interviews, and many more referrals.

You cannot make such a sweeping generalized claim based on your anecdotal experience. So you have checked the job requirements and have gone through the application process for all 2.8 million U.S. federal jobs? I don't think so.

Just the fact that TESU is misleading with it's degree titles vs. their corresponding CIP codes is alarming in of itself and that alone deserves for this to be pinned. Once this is more well known it could be used by any employer do disqualify a candidate based on them lacking relevant qualifications.

[sanantone]

This doesn't matter for federal civilian jobs; I can't speak for DoD jobs. HR specialists will look at the degree name and courses. [...] To be honest, this shouldn't have been pinned because it's making people freak out for no reason. I've had four jobs with the federal government, several more job offers, many interviews, and many more referrals.

You cannot make such a sweeping generalized claim based on your anecdotal experience. So you have checked the job requirements and have gone through the application process for all 2.8 million U.S. federal jobs? I don't think so.

Just the fact that TESU is misleading with it's degree titles vs. their corresponding CIP codes is alarming in of itself and that alone deserves for this to be pinned. Once this is more well known it could be used by any employer do disqualify a candidate based on them lacking relevant qualifications.

Where is the evidence for the original claim? I've put in over 500 job applications in many different fields. I've been referred for scientist, law enforcement, emergency management, security, human resources, social services, legal, analyst, cybersecurity, and tax positions. You need to meet the education and/or experience requirement to get a referral. The vast majority of federal jobs don't even have a positive education requirement. That is not an anecdote; that can be verified via the OPM website where they list the requirements for each grade level. With the exception of a few fields, education is usually a substitute for lack of experience. 

Has anyone else here had four different jobs in the federal government. How many of you have even interviewed for several jobs with the federal government? I just see assumptions. CIP codes are mainly for statistical purposes, not hiring.

OPM makes it clear that 24 credit hours in a subject plus a bachelor's degree in a different subject is equivalent to having a bachelor's degree in the required subject. OPM is the authority for federal hiring. 

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversigh...-policies/

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Where specific course requirements are not indicated in paragraph A, the number of semester hours required to constitute a major field of study is the amount specified by the college or university attended. If this number cannot be obtained, 24 semester hours will be considered as equivalent to a major field of study. The nature and quality of this required course work must have been such that it would serve as a prerequisite for more advanced study in the field or subject-matter area. Related course work generally refers to courses that may be accepted as part of the program major.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversigh...-Standards

[sanantone]

Recap:

The BSBA in CIS is correctly classified as a business degree. It only requires 18 CIS credits. DHS has been rejecting STEM-Opt applications because colleges and universities have been abusing the system and misclassifying degrees. DHS will look to see if the major aligns with the CIP code the school put on SEVIS and on the graduate's I-20. In other words, just because your degree has a STEM CIP doesn't mean that DHS won't classify it as a non-STEM degree after reviewing the curriculum.

TESU recently made name changes on their website, but I'm not sure they are the official degree titles. The CIP codes align with the old names. The BA in Natural Sciences and Mathematics being classified as biology should be a non-issue since biology is designated by DHS as STEM.

BSAST was the degree for all of TESU's technology concentrations. Technically, that is applied science and technology. If the AST has been removed, and the area of study has enough credits to be considered a major, then the degree should be reclassified.

[Ares]

This doesn't matter for federal civilian jobs; I can't speak for DoD jobs. HR specialists will look at the degree name and courses. [...] To be honest, this shouldn't have been pinned because it's making people freak out for no reason. I've had four jobs with the federal government, several more job offers, many interviews, and many more referrals.

You cannot make such a sweeping generalized claim based on your anecdotal experience. So you have checked the job requirements and have gone through the application process for all 2.8 million U.S. federal jobs? I don't think so.

Just the fact that TESU is misleading with it's degree titles vs. their corresponding CIP codes is alarming in of itself and that alone deserves for this to be pinned. Once this is more well known it could be used by any employer do disqualify a candidate based on them lacking relevant qualifications.

...I've put in over 500 job applications in many different fields. I've been referred for scientist, law enforcement, emergency management, security, human resources, social services, legal, analyst, cybersecurity, and tax positions. You need to meet the education and/or experience requirement to get a referral. [...]

Has anyone else here had four different jobs in the federal government. How many of you have even interviewed for several jobs with the federal government?

You do know what the definition of "anecdotal" is?

[sanantone]

This doesn't matter for federal civilian jobs; I can't speak for DoD jobs. HR specialists will look at the degree name and courses. [...] To be honest, this shouldn't have been pinned because it's making people freak out for no reason. I've had four jobs with the federal government, several more job offers, many interviews, and many more referrals.

You cannot make such a sweeping generalized claim based on your anecdotal experience. So you have checked the job requirements and have gone through the application process for all 2.8 million U.S. federal jobs? I don't think so.

Just the fact that TESU is misleading with it's degree titles vs. their corresponding CIP codes is alarming in of itself and that alone deserves for this to be pinned. Once this is more well known it could be used by any employer do disqualify a candidate based on them lacking relevant qualifications.

...I've put in over 500 job applications in many different fields. I've been referred for scientist, law enforcement, emergency management, security, human resources, social services, legal, analyst, cybersecurity, and tax positions. You need to meet the education and/or experience requirement to get a referral. [...]

Has anyone else here had four different jobs in the federal government. How many of you have even interviewed for several jobs with the federal government?

You do know what the definition of "anecdotal" is?

LOL. Do you know what OPM is? That's your response to an official government directive? The OP provided no evidence for that claim, anecdotal or not. Yet, you aren't questioning why their information differs from what OPM and government job ads say. Go ahead and believe whatever fairy tales you want to believe.

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I'm curious where CIP codes are used in government.  I've never heard of the requirement.  Fortunately I did the CS degree, but I'm pretty sure for a 1560 series (my original intention with it) it would count regardless of the CIP code because of the way the series is written.  Is it organization specific or series specific?

It's been almost a year, and no one has responded to you with any evidence for this claim. They haven't responded to you at all. That's okay. I provided OPM's instructions for determining education eligibility, but someone can still provide an example of a non-DoD job that needs the degree to match the CIP code. There has to be at least one example out there. Maybe Ares has it.

[Ares]

You cannot make such a sweeping generalized claim based on your anecdotal experience. So you have checked the job requirements and have gone through the application process for all 2.8 million U.S. federal jobs? I don't think so.

Just the fact that TESU is misleading with it's degree titles vs. their corresponding CIP codes is alarming in of itself and that alone deserves for this to be pinned. Once this is more well known it could be used by any employer do disqualify a candidate based on them lacking relevant qualifications.

...I've put in over 500 job applications in many different fields. I've been referred for scientist, law enforcement, emergency management, security, human resources, social services, legal, analyst, cybersecurity, and tax positions. You need to meet the education and/or experience requirement to get a referral. [...]

Has anyone else here had four different jobs in the federal government. How many of you have even interviewed for several jobs with the federal government?

You do know what the definition of "anecdotal" is?

LOL. Do you know what OPM is? That's your response to an official government directive? The OP provided no evidence for that claim, anecdotal or not. Yet, you aren't questioning why their information differs from what OPM and government job ads say. Go ahead and believe whatever fairy tales you want to believe.

So you are going to stop quoting your job applications as factual evidence?

[sanantone]

You cannot make such a sweeping generalized claim based on your anecdotal experience. So you have checked the job requirements and have gone through the application process for all 2.8 million U.S. federal jobs? I don't think so.

Just the fact that TESU is misleading with it's degree titles vs. their corresponding CIP codes is alarming in of itself and that alone deserves for this to be pinned. Once this is more well known it could be used by any employer do disqualify a candidate based on them lacking relevant qualifications.

...I've put in over 500 job applications in many different fields. I've been referred for scientist, law enforcement, emergency management, security, human resources, social services, legal, analyst, cybersecurity, and tax positions. You need to meet the education and/or experience requirement to get a referral. [...]

Has anyone else here had four different jobs in the federal government. How many of you have even interviewed for several jobs with the federal government?

You do know what the definition of "anecdotal" is?

LOL. Do you know what OPM is? That's your response to an official government directive? The OP provided no evidence for that claim, anecdotal or not. Yet, you aren't questioning why their information differs from what OPM and government job ads say. Go ahead and believe whatever fairy tales you want to believe.

So you are going to stop quoting your job applications as factual evidence?

Ares, we're still waiting for evidence to support the OP's anecdote that you believed without question.

[LevelUP]

This doesn't matter for federal civilian jobs; I can't speak for DoD jobs. 

I'm curious where CIP codes are used in government.  I've never heard of the requirement.  Fortunately I did the CS degree, but I'm pretty sure for a 1560 series (my original intention with it) it would count regardless of the CIP code because of the way the series is written.  Is it organization specific or series specific?

It's been almost a year, and no one has responded to you with any evidence for this claim. They haven't responded to you at all.

From ChatGPT

Yes, there are non-Department of Defense (DoD) federal jobs where the degree must match specific Classification of Instructional Programs (CIP) codes. This requirement is often seen in specialized fields that require specific educational backgrounds. Here are a few examples:

1. GS-1320 - Chemist
Required Degree: A degree in physical sciences, life sciences, or engineering that includes 30 semester hours in chemistry, supplemented by coursework in mathematics and physics.

CIP Code Requirement: The degree typically needs to be classified under a CIP code related to Chemistry (40.05 series).

2. GS-0810 - Civil Engineer
Required Degree: A professional engineering degree, usually requiring an ABET-accredited program.

CIP Code Requirement: Degrees in Civil Engineering are classified under the CIP code 14.0801. To qualify for a Civil Engineer position, the degree must match this CIP code.

3. GS-0401 - General Natural Resources Management and Biological Sciences
Required Degree: Degrees in biological sciences, agriculture, natural resource management, chemistry, or related disciplines appropriate to the position.

CIP Code Requirement: This series often requires a degree with a CIP code in the 26.xx series (Biological and Biomedical Sciences).

4. GS-1515 - Operations Research Analyst
Required Degree: A degree in operations research or a closely related field that includes at least 24 semester hours in a combination of operations research, mathematics, probability, statistics, mathematical logic, science, or related courses.

CIP Code Requirement: Degrees in Operations Research are classified under the CIP code 14.3701.

Example Job Posting:
Here’s an example from a job listing on USAJOBS that illustrates the degree and CIP code requirement:

Position: Operations Research Analyst (GS-1515)
Qualifications: Requires a bachelor's degree in operations research or a closely related field that includes at least 24 semester hours in operations research, mathematics, probability, statistics, mathematical logic, science, or related subjects.

CIP Code Requirement: The degree must be classified under a CIP code related to Operations Research, such as 14.3701.

While not all federal jobs require a degree that matches a specific CIP code, those in highly specialized fields often do. The CIP code ensures that the degree program provided the necessary specialized education and training relevant to the job. This requirement helps maintain standards and ensure that applicants are adequately prepared for the technical and specialized nature of these roles.

[sanantone]

This doesn't matter for federal civilian jobs; I can't speak for DoD jobs. 

I'm curious where CIP codes are used in government.  I've never heard of the requirement.  Fortunately I did the CS degree, but I'm pretty sure for a 1560 series (my original intention with it) it would count regardless of the CIP code because of the way the series is written.  Is it organization specific or series specific?

It's been almost a year, and no one has responded to you with any evidence for this claim. They haven't responded to you at all.

From ChatGPT

Yes, there are non-Department of Defense (DoD) federal jobs where the degree must match specific Classification of Instructional Programs (CIP) codes. This requirement is often seen in specialized fields that require specific educational backgrounds. Here are a few examples:

1. GS-1320 - Chemist
Required Degree: A degree in physical sciences, life sciences, or engineering that includes 30 semester hours in chemistry, supplemented by coursework in mathematics and physics.

CIP Code Requirement: The degree typically needs to be classified under a CIP code related to Chemistry (40.05 series).

2. GS-0810 - Civil Engineer
Required Degree: A professional engineering degree, usually requiring an ABET-accredited program.

CIP Code Requirement: Degrees in Civil Engineering are classified under the CIP code 14.0801. To qualify for a Civil Engineer position, the degree must match this CIP code.

3. GS-0401 - General Natural Resources Management and Biological Sciences
Required Degree: Degrees in biological sciences, agriculture, natural resource management, chemistry, or related disciplines appropriate to the position.

CIP Code Requirement: This series often requires a degree with a CIP code in the 26.xx series (Biological and Biomedical Sciences).

4. GS-1515 - Operations Research Analyst
Required Degree: A degree in operations research or a closely related field that includes at least 24 semester hours in a combination of operations research, mathematics, probability, statistics, mathematical logic, science, or related courses.

CIP Code Requirement: Degrees in Operations Research are classified under the CIP code 14.3701.

Example Job Posting:
Here’s an example from a job listing on USAJOBS that illustrates the degree and CIP code requirement:

Position: Operations Research Analyst (GS-1515)
Qualifications: Requires a bachelor's degree in operations research or a closely related field that includes at least 24 semester hours in operations research, mathematics, probability, statistics, mathematical logic, science, or related subjects.

CIP Code Requirement: The degree must be classified under a CIP code related to Operations Research, such as 14.3701.

While not all federal jobs require a degree that matches a specific CIP code, those in highly specialized fields often do. The CIP code ensures that the degree program provided the necessary specialized education and training relevant to the job. This requirement helps maintain standards and ensure that applicants are adequately prepared for the technical and specialized nature of these roles.

If you were my student, I would give you a zero. Please have ChatGPT produce a source, and the source must exist.

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This is why ChatGPT should not be used as a sole or primary source. ChatGPT's response below.

"The federal government does use Classification of Instructional Programs (CIP) codes in several contexts, including education reporting, workforce analysis, and potentially in aligning educational programs with employment opportunities. However, whether CIP codes are specifically used to determine a degree's eligibility for a federal job can vary. Typically, job eligibility in federal positions is based on qualifications, experience, and sometimes specific educational requirements or certifications. CIP codes may inform broader policy decisions or program alignments but are not usually the direct criteria for job eligibility. Instead, job announcements will specify the necessary qualifications and education requirements."

Now, go to USAJobs and see how many job ads mention CIP. I can already tell you that it's only one job in the entire country, and the CIP acronym stood for something else.