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(05-06-2018, 12:12 PM)dfrecore Wrote: I have been a hiring manager, and if a degree is required (usually by someone other than the hiring manager), it's almost always as a check-the-box type of thing (and it's gotten to be more so over the last 10-15 years). I only care that someone can DO THE JOB, not that they took History 101 while getting the degree.
It's a "check-the-box type of thing" BECAUSE they are able to assume that having a degree means you actually did earn it. If they didn't trust that to be so, then it would become a much more onerous process.
I don't mind people deciding to do "C" work, and accepting the C. I don't even mind pass/no pass grading. We all have to prioritize where we spend our study time. My criticism is with people skipping large parts of the course because they can Google their way through quizzes to get perfect scores on them. They even come on here and BRAG about how fast they can get through a course without really learning anything.
Anyway, I think that having real grades that count can only help.
(05-06-2018, 08:37 PM)a2jc4life Wrote: Anyone who gets a passing grade on the course DID do the work, adequately to be considered legitimate. There are other things far more likely to "cheapen" a degree, like lax grading in actual classes that leads to average students/work getting A/B grades, and some of the ridiculously junk classes. ...
Sure, there's problems at B&M schools, too, but that seems irrelevant to the conversation.
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(05-07-2018, 11:20 AM)davewill Wrote: I don't mind people deciding to do "C" work, and accepting the C. I don't even mind pass/no pass grading. We all have to prioritize where we spend our study time. My criticism is with people skipping large parts of the course because they can Google their way through quizzes to get perfect scores on them. They even come on here and BRAG about how fast they can get through a course without really learning anything.
I agree with that. Doing "C" work and cheating are two different things and if someone's just Googling for answers, that violates the academic honesty agreements students made, IMO. (There's a difference between that and effectively searching the actual course material, though. You might be surprised how much can be learned by effectively searching a textbook for the answers to exam questions.)
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(05-07-2018, 11:20 AM)davewill Wrote: (05-06-2018, 12:12 PM)dfrecore Wrote: I have been a hiring manager, and if a degree is required (usually by someone other than the hiring manager), it's almost always as a check-the-box type of thing (and it's gotten to be more so over the last 10-15 years). I only care that someone can DO THE JOB, not that they took History 101 while getting the degree.
It's a "check-the-box type of thing" BECAUSE they are able to assume that having a degree means you actually did earn it. If they didn't trust that to be so, then it would become a much more onerous process. No, honestly, it's a check-the-box because it's a good way to weed out an overwhelming number of resumes. Putting "4-yr degree" as a requirement is an easy way to get out of doing the real work of figuring out (for every single job) what the REAL requirements of the job are. Many, many times, a 4-yr degree is irrelevant to the job. I worked in the Silicon Valley in the heyday's of no degree required, and there wasn't a degree you could get that was relevant to many jobs, so they didn't have them. What changed? Not the job, and not the relevant work experience. Just the random "4-yr degree required" that they added at some point along the way.
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