ENEB Master Thread

[nykorn]

Whoops, I misread in my excitement. I thought ECE evaluated it as a regionally accredited Master's not a Bachelor's. Still, if someone's plan is, say, to be a public school teacher in most states of the US - they could for example use the Bachelor's evaluation plus a WGU or University of the People's Master in Education, or a state-approved 3rd party teacher education program, to go from no college education (assuming BECU let you in) to getting a US teaching license within 2-3 years from start to finish.

ENEB replied to me about the specialization certificates. They have no idea what I'm talking about. I double checked the campus website and the announcement about it is now gone off the front page, and I can't find it in the announcement history either - so it may have been some staff member posting it by mistake. I copy-pasted the announcement and Emailed it to ENEB and am waiting for a new reply.

I googled the worth of the NLP certificate, as well as the (taught in Spanish) "Coaching & Mindfulness" degree which includes a full subchapter on hypnotherapy. I found out that, economically, NLP and Mindfulness are worthless (you can get certificate education in them for $0-$7, and you don't need a license to practice them) but hypnotherapy is, in some US states, a licensed medical profession, and the license requires a certificate education on hypnotherapy to get (no clear demands on study hours or accreditation). As the hypnotherapy section in the ENEB degree is so small it doesn't even show up on the transcript, it wouldn't qualify anyone for a license, but this has piqued my interest and I will go create a separate thread on this.

[GameSlinger]

Something I have not seen mentioned in any of the post I could find is something one the website that is not clearly defined. What is the 10 free places and 75% check in. That is shown on all the webpages for each masters degree.

https://eneb.com/training-programs/maste...d-tourism/

[bjcheung77]

Something I have not seen mentioned in any of the post I could find is something one the website that is not clearly defined. What is the 10 free places and 75% check in. That is shown on all the webpages for each masters degree.

https://eneb.com/training-programs/maste...d-tourism/

It's just their gimmick in marketing, their tactic in this is to indicate or show that 75% of the spots are taken, and there are only 10 spaces left. So, in total, it's like a 'regular' class that has about 40 students. That's so...false advertising... or at least they're trying to make it look like a 'butt-in-seat cohort' using classes are offered entirely online.

[GameSlinger]

Something I have not seen mentioned in any of the post I could find is something one the website that is not clearly defined. What is the 10 free places and 75% check in. That is shown on all the webpages for each masters degree.

https://eneb.com/training-programs/maste...d-tourism/

It's just their gimmick in marketing, their tactic in this is to indicate or show that 75% of the spots are taken, and there are only 10 spaces left.  So, in total, it's like a 'regular' class that has about 40 students.  That's so...false advertising... or at least they're trying to make it look like a 'butt-in-seat cohort' using classes are offered entirely online.

I wondered if that was it but the wording through me off a bit.

[Xin]

Something I have not seen mentioned in any of the post I could find is something one the website that is not clearly defined. What is the 10 free places and 75% check in. That is shown on all the webpages for each masters degree.

https://eneb.com/training-programs/maste...d-tourism/

It's just their gimmick in marketing, their tactic in this is to indicate or show that 75% of the spots are taken, and there are only 10 spaces left.  So, in total, it's like a 'regular' class that has about 40 students.  That's so...false advertising... or at least they're trying to make it look like a 'butt-in-seat cohort' using classes are offered entirely online.

I wondered if that was it but the wording through me off a bit.

I think it means offering full scholarships for the course, tuition free, 10 are the remaining scholarship places, eneb offers various types of scholarships and installments for tuition, which doesn't seem like strange marketing, and two is the actual existence of free places

[bjcheung77]

I think it means offering full scholarships for the course, tuition free, 10 are the remaining scholarship places, eneb offers various types of scholarships and installments for tuition, which doesn't seem like strange marketing, and two is the actual existence of free places

You can email them if you want to get the general idea of what that means for ENEB. The picture indicates the scholarship dollar amount already, it's not free or a full scholarship. Everyone is going to look at all the info presented differently, to be on the safe side, it's best to get the info directly from them... My thought remains what I mentioned earlier, they're too much of a 'money grabber' to offer anything free, they're offering diplomas, exams, etc for extra costs, they're not in the right sense to offer anything free at all, it's all marketing and strategy on their end...

[Xin]

I think it means offering full scholarships for the course, tuition free, 10 are the remaining scholarship places, eneb offers various types of scholarships and installments for tuition, which doesn't seem like strange marketing, and two is the actual existence of free places

You can email them if you want to get the general idea of what that means for ENEB.  The picture indicates the scholarship dollar amount already, it's not free or a full scholarship.  Everyone is going to look at all the info presented differently, to be on the safe side, it's best to get the info directly from them...  My thought remains what I mentioned earlier, they're too much of a 'money grabber' to offer anything free, they're offering diplomas, exams, etc for extra costs, they're not in the right sense to offer anything free at all, it's all marketing and strategy on their end...

In fact, the overall price is now closer to that of similar programs in Spain, and in general, Isabel's own titles cost between 500 and 600 euros at other partner centers, which is just about the total price of eneb's current courses and diplomas. Perhaps this price is justified, there are many platforms in Spain that offer similar programs, and the only services you can buy for 500 euros are things similar to eneb, PDF training materials, and if you want something better you need to pay for additional online courses and instructor-led tutorials, and I have to make it clear that there are many universities in Spain that have fees for physical diplomas, such as the ones below ContentMáster Universitario en Dirección Comercial y Marketing | UDIMA --- 商业管理与市场营销硕士学位 |乌迪玛Tarifas vigentes para el curso 2023-24.

Conceptos
Precio
Expedición de título de Máster (*)
225,00 €
Certificado Académico Personal
35,00 €
Duplicado de título oficial de Máster
225,00 €
Duplicados de Certificaciones
35,00 €
Legalización mediante autorización expresa a la UDIMA
125,00 €
Legalización por cuenta del alumno
Consultar (**)
Programa de las asignaturas sellados
35,00 €
Carné de estudiante
sin coste

Cursos, Máster y Expertos online baremables y puntuables en bolsa | Formación Alcalá España (formacionalcala.com)
Bienvenido a FARO Business School, Cursos para administrativos (farobs.com)

You need to pay at least 500 euros for the co-op program to get a free digital diploma accredited by the university.If you buy a course run by the university itself or an official course, you'll pay even more!。

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There are also some new developments, as the type of diploma has changed since October 19, 2023, and the university's own title became MFP （Spain：Máster de Formación Permanente） after the new law went into effect. Take note of the change in the type of diploma, and one more thing is that if you enroll in the Dual Masters now you will only get a 72 credit Isabel diploma, if it is a triple masters you will get a 90 credit global mba diploma issued by Isabel. Because according to the partnership agreement between eneb and Isabel
ECTS credits for each of the training programs are as follows:

MBA + Master’s Degree: 72 ECTS
Master’s Degree: 60 ECTS
Postgraduate Course: 12 ECTS
Higher Education Course: 2 ECTS

The agreement signed between ENEB and the University Isabel I specifies that the maximum number of ECTS credits a student can obtain in a year is 90 ECTS.

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Changes in the number of diploma credits and types of diplomas may have an impact on the assessment results, and I think it's time to gather more information to update our Wikipedia page!

[nykorn]

Regarding "Máster de Formación Permanente": The English version of ENEB seemingly hasn't sent out any Emails or announcements about the name change, and their certificate images on their website haven't changed either. The law about it started in 2021 (not sure if it was created then or if it was passed then). My assumption is that it is just a classification, it's not a title that is required to be written on the degree itself (just as how it is apparently not required to write "titulo propio" on the certificate itself).

When I tried googling I found the all following info, but take it with a grain of salt.

An Academic Year in Spain is a minimum of 175 days, and a University Academic Year is generally 220 days. If ENEB is following this, that explains some stuff like slow grading and delaying the time you are allowed to start the final exam.. It's possible there are legal requirements stating the student must go to school for at least one single semester's worth of time (likely a minimum of 88 days), for this amount of credits.

Admissions to higher education in Spain (whether at a university or otherwise) can legally be done through one of the following: 1) Having a degree, 2) Having college credits but no degree, 3) Passing an entrance exam that proves you have equivalent knowledge as to someone with one of the above, 4) Being over 25, 40 and 45 without any of the above (if they lower the requirements progressively with each age listed, it does not say). This explains why ENEB states they can let you apply on special circumstances if you don't have a degree. It is not anything shady or unique to titulo propio.

For entrance to a university Master's degree in Spain, you do not have to have a Bachelor's, you can also satisfy entrance requirements by an entrance exam, work experience, or having a certain amount of credits equal to the Bachelor's or Master's level which do not add up to form a degree. Likewise for entrance to a university PhD, you do not need to have a finished Master's, but you need at least 60 credits equal to the Master's level which includes research/essay skills at the Master's level (it sounds like THIS is one main reason why titulo propio do not grant you access to PhD studies).

What was once called titulo propio have now been split into several categories based on entrance requirements and ECTs credit worth. According to the former system:

Titulo Oficial - Is intended to be universally automatically accepted within the EHEA (European Higher Education Area) area without the need for a Foreign Credit Evaluation or extra education, specifically when talking about access to Master's or Doctorate's studies in a foreign country (no such acceptance promise is made for access to careers or professional licenses in the EHEA, nor to higher education access outside the EHEA). Must be at least 60 ECTS. Instructors must have a degree in the field and the degree must contain a final thesis with thesis defense. May contain exchange years but are unlikely to contain internships. Are geared towards reading and writing research in the field instead of learning skills applicable to a job in the field, and the information taught is not necessarily cutting edge. Geared towards people who are not actively working in the field and who are trying to specialize in a subject before applying their knowledge to a career. May have the Spanish equivalent of GPA requirements for admissions. The admissions cost can be subsidized by the Spanish government or by the EU itself.

Titulo Propio - Is designed for universal acceptance within Spain regarding employment, but not regarding higher academic entrance or anything - including employment - outside of Spain. Usually don't have GPA requirements for admissions. Marketed as "continuing vocational training" and "a good choice for a gap year before starting real university studies". Instructors did not need to have a degree in the field, instead any proof of knowledge of the field (such as work experience) was ok to teach. Specifically geared towards usable, working ("out on the floor") knowledge for a career in the field. Is more likely to offer internships than a university degree is. Geared towards people actively working in the field who want up to date knowledge in a subject that they can use immediately on the job. The admissions cost can't be subsidized by the government.

While a titulo oficial is often thought of as always having more prestige, in reality some titulo propio programs also have prestige, and in practical terms (unless you're trying to work at Spanish government job) companies don't distinguish between a titulo oficial and a titulo propio when looking at someone's resume, instead they only care about how closely the education matches what they want you to do on the job. Unlike what is often said, it seems titulo propio holders are not actually barred from getting a Spanish government job (job in a public administration) - it is up to each administration and the person writing the job ad to decide on if they will accept titulo propio applicants or not. However in those cases a titulo oficial applicant will be prioritized by the Spanish government for said job. Usually there is a "points system" for candidates and you receive some points if you have relevant education, but a titulo oficial receives more points than a titulo propio. If a government job bars a titulo propio holder from applying, it is usually a higher-level position which also requires an exam during the application.

The new classifications within the major category of titulo propio (note that these say "must have degree" but I assume the truth is really the same info as above):
- Curso de Postgrado de Especialización - 180 ECTS, must have previous university degree to enter studies.

- Máster de Formación Permanente - 60 to 120 ECTS, must have previous degree or proven work experience deemed roughly equal to 180 ECTs of a degree. Instructors do not need a degree to teach. Studies are supposed to contain a master's thesis or final project worth at least 6 ECTS. Studies must be equal to MERCES 3 level, which means your Máster de Formación Permanente will be equal to EQF 7 or a Second Cycle Degree as well as equal to one of the following: 1) University Master's Degree, 2) Master's Degree in Arts, 3) "Integrated Bachelor's Degree" (a Bachelor's which contains some Master's level credits) equal to 300 to 360 ECTS, of which at least 60 ECTS are at the Master's level.

- Diploma de Especialización - 30 to 59 ECTS, must have previous degree. Final project is recommended but not required.
- Experto - 20 to 29 ECTS, must have previous degree.
- Diplomas de Formación Permanente - 15 to 29 ECTS. No previous degree required.
- Certificados de Formación Permanente - up to 14 ECTs. No previous degree required.

- Advanced Technician - Specifically deemed as vocational training, in 1 of the 26 professional fields officially established in the National Catalogue for Professional Qualifications. Requires a final project. Equal to EQF 5 (worth the second year of a 3-year Bachelor's degree). Other countries having the same designations may be a potential reason for why some ENEB diplomas could be rated as vocational school or otherwise as a non-degree, whereas a different result may be obtained for an ENEB diploma in a different subject. The 26 professional fields officially deemed as vocational by Spain are as follows, with the ones that have any connection to ENEB subjects bolded:

1. Physical Activities and Sports, 2. Administration and Management, 3. Agricultural, 4. Graphic Arts, 5. Arts and Crafts, 6. Commerce and Marketing, 7. Building and Civil Works, 8. Electricity and Electronics, 9. Energy and Water, 10. Mechanical Manufacturing, 11. Hospitality and Tourism, 12. Personal Image, 13. Image and Sound, 14. Food Industries, 15. Extractive Industries, 16. Computing and Communications, 17. Installation and Maintenance, 18. Wood, Furniture, and Cork, 19. Maritime-Fishing, 20. Chemistry, 21. Health, 22. Security and Environment, 23. Sociocultural and Community Services, 24. Textiles, Clothing and Leather, 25. Transportation and Vehicle Maintenance, 26. Glass and Ceramics.

I think the 90 ECTS per year limit is probably normal for Europe. In the USA, you can do 200% studies and no one cares, but in Europe the max I've been able to take from my country was 175% and you had to get special permission to do so (unless your studies were abroad - they can't track those).

There's been some debate on the ENEB exams. None of the sources I read mentioned anything about the specifics of what amount of homework, exams, final exams, etc, are required for any educational level. The official requirements for something to count as university Master's level are very vague such as "After graduating, the student is able to manage themselves at work" and "The student is able to understand research related to their field".

Sources: 1) https://www.ucm.es/cfp/tipos-de-titulos
2) https://www.uhu.es/titulos-propios/infor...-cada-tipo
3) https://www.aqu.cat/en/doc/Universitats/...ork-CHE-QF
4) https://universidadeuropea.com/blog/que-...ermanente/
5) https://www.upc.edu/es/masteres/masteres...ente-tabla
6) https://www.uam.es/CentroFormacionContin...514995.htm
7) https://www.educaweb.com/contenidos/educ...onales-fp/

[Voldigoad]

I think it means offering full scholarships for the course, tuition free, 10 are the remaining scholarship places, eneb offers various types of scholarships and installments for tuition, which doesn't seem like strange marketing, and two is the actual existence of free places

You can email them if you want to get the general idea of what that means for ENEB.  The picture indicates the scholarship dollar amount already, it's not free or a full scholarship.  Everyone is going to look at all the info presented differently, to be on the safe side, it's best to get the info directly from them...  My thought remains what I mentioned earlier, they're too much of a 'money grabber' to offer anything free, they're offering diplomas, exams, etc for extra costs, they're not in the right sense to offer anything free at all, it's all marketing and strategy on their end...

In fact, the overall price is now closer to that of similar programs in Spain, and in general, Isabel's own titles cost between 500 and 600 euros at other partner centers, which is just about the total price of eneb's current courses and diplomas. Perhaps this price is justified, there are many platforms in Spain that offer similar programs, and the only services you can buy for 500 euros are things similar to eneb, PDF training materials, and if you want something better you need to pay for additional online courses and instructor-led tutorials, and I have to make it clear that there are many universities in Spain that have fees for physical diplomas, such as the ones below ContentMáster Universitario en Dirección Comercial y Marketing | UDIMA --- 商业管理与市场营销硕士学位 |乌迪玛Tarifas vigentes para el curso 2023-24.

Conceptos
Precio
Expedición de título de Máster (*)
225,00 €
Certificado Académico Personal
35,00 €
Duplicado de título oficial de Máster
225,00 €
Duplicados de Certificaciones
35,00 €
Legalización mediante autorización expresa a la UDIMA
125,00 €
Legalización por cuenta del alumno
Consultar (**)
Programa de las asignaturas sellados
35,00 €
Carné de estudiante
sin coste

Cursos, Máster y Expertos online baremables y puntuables en bolsa | Formación Alcalá España (formacionalcala.com)
Bienvenido a FARO Business School, Cursos para administrativos (farobs.com)

You need to pay at least 500 euros for the co-op program to get a free digital diploma accredited by the university.If you buy a course run by the university itself or an official course, you'll pay even more!。

---

There are also some new developments, as the type of diploma has changed since October 19, 2023, and the university's own title became MFP （Spain：Máster de Formación Permanente） after the new law went into effect. Take note of the change in the type of diploma, and one more thing is that if you enroll in the Dual Masters now you will only get a 72 credit Isabel diploma, if it is a triple masters you will get a 90 credit global mba diploma issued by Isabel. Because according to the partnership agreement between eneb and Isabel
ECTS credits for each of the training programs are as follows:

MBA + Master’s Degree: 72 ECTS
Master’s Degree: 60 ECTS
Postgraduate Course: 12 ECTS
Higher Education Course: 2 ECTS

The agreement signed between ENEB and the University Isabel I specifies that the maximum number of ECTS credits a student can obtain in a year is 90 ECTS.

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Changes in the number of diploma credits and types of diplomas may have an impact on the assessment results, and I think it's time to gather more information to update our Wikipedia page!

Thanks for the update! In how far has the type of Diploma changed in regards to MPF? Do you have an example?

[nykorn]

I'm not so sure that the credits per Master's degree have changed recently, was it specifically written anywhere? Here is an old PDF with an old breakdown of the number of ECTS credits awarded per section (module) of a diploma: https://docplayer.es/677068-Por-que-eneb...acion.html

In case that link goes down in the future here it is, translated and alphabetized:

Accounting / Contabilidad - 5 Credits
Advertising / Publicidad - 6 Credits
Business Strategy / Estrategia Empresarial - 6 Credits
Business Strategy (I & II) / Estrategia Empresarial (I y II) - 9 Credits
Coaching / Coaching - 5 Credits
Commerce / Comercio - 6 Credits
Commercial Taxation / Fiscalidad Mercantil - 2 Credits
Community Manager / Community Manager - 6 Credits
Corporate Financial Management / Dirección Financiera Corporativa - 6 Credits
Corporate Social Responsibility / Responsabilidad Social Corporativa - 6 Credits
Corporate Tax / Impuesto de Sociedades - 2 Credits
E-Commerce / E-Commerce - 6 Credits
Human Resources Labor Advisory / Asesoría Laboral en Recursos Humanos - 6 Credits
Human Resources Management / Gestión de los Recursos Humanos - 3 Credits
Marketing / Marketing - 6 Credits
Negotiation Techniques / Técnicas de Negociaciûn - 6 Credits
NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) / PNL - 5 Credits
Occupational Risks / Riesgos Laborales - 6 Credits
Personnel Management & Managerial Skills / Gestión de Personal y Habilidades Directivas - 3 Credits
Personnel Selection / Selección de Personal - 5 Credits
Supply Chain Management / Supply Chain Management - 2 Credits
Training & E-Learning / Formación y E-Learning - 4 Credits
Web Positioning SEM, SEO & Social Media / Posicionamiento Web SEM, SEO y Social Media - 3 Credits

Here is an example of their MBA + Master's in Revenue Management & Hospitality taught in Spanish, where the March 2023 certificate says these two together are worth 72 ECTS. English for Business is worth 60 ECTS, and the continuing education diploma in Project Management is worth 12 ECTS: https://eneb.es/wp-content/uploads/2023/...TALITY.pdf

PDF about the Hague Apostille & Notarization with example, and a 2015-2016 diploma + transcript with credit values that match the above list: https://www.aprendum.com/files/ENEB_Apos...a_Haya.pdf

If you use Wayback Machine and go all the way back to 2015, their individual Master's were still worth 60 ECTS:
https://web.archive.org/web/201510310341...-empresas/

However some of their combo packages were worth 81 credits:
https://web.archive.org/web/201510310605...s-humanos/

They changed the marketing tactic when they created their English website in 2019, and declared the same study packages worth, for example, 180 ECTS, but there was no mention of that you are getting 3 separate diplomas which "add up" to 180 ECTS instead of one big 180 ECTS diploma. This is only clarified in the informational PDFs such as the one above, which so far I have only found in Spanish.

While looking for this info I found several examples of ENEB diplomas and transcripts across the years, where the individual Master's were all worth 60 credits. Here are a number of them in case anyone wants them:
1) https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid410078
2) https://www.coursehero.com/file/15541024...scriptpdf/
3) https://bashara.pt/Home/Certificates
4) https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E22A...ZypKmlb0wI
5) https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/docto..._large.jpg
6) https://www.linkedin.com/posts/daniel-fl...bdomain=es
7) https://www.linkedin.com/posts/anacabani...bdomain=es
8) https://www.instagram.com/p/CYt1BF2rm18/?img_index=2
9) https://www.linkedin.com/posts/luciano-l...bdomain=es