01-21-2009, 09:14 PM
bobaloo000 Wrote:Gary, your from NJ so did you know in NJ if you finish in the top 15% of your HS class you can attend County College for FREE! And, if you finish in the top 15% of your CC class you can go to any state university for FREE! With no community service required. This program actually will mean the end of that. Why would NJ pay for it if the federal government will do it for them?I was not aware of the 15% deal, my kids aren't old enough for HS yet so my answer is no. If you think I support Gov Corzine, think again. The first thing he did before he started cutting everything was he gave the judges what ammounted to a 17% pay raise. You bring up Carter and Clinton as if you think I'm a Democrat, which I'm not. We can throw story back and forth about all the good and bad each has done. Were you aware Reagan sold California property to a close friend, and then as governor, pushed to give that same friend a big tax break on that same property. I'm sure your aware he cut gov't just enough to put the fear in everyone, to make sure he could impose his will. There are thousands of stories of people dragging themselves up by their bootstraps out of the gutter and making something of themselves. Your story is nothing new. You did it so the next guy should be able to do it. Your probably white, right? Figured. I like you live w/in my means. I've worked hard for everything I've got, like millions of others. You make it seem like a minority has the SAME chance and opportunity, you are blind if you think that. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told by people in the military and in my civilian jobs how blacks are lazy and don't want to work. Quite a few years back, my best friend, who was responsible for hiring/firing at his plant , out of the blue said, "I'll never hire a n-----." I had no idea he felt that way. I've since heard in many times over. Don't tell me it doesn't exist, if you think that, your living in a shell. People love to say live w/in your means and I agree w/that. Everyone wants to focus on people who took on mortgages, more than they could handle. What responsibility do the banks have that approved these loans, loans they knew would lead to problems for many of these families. My wife worked for banks, she worked in both direct and indirect lending and she was constantly pushed to approve questionable loans, not by the people looking for them but by the industry that would profit by them. When bank mergers were happening, the outcome was the screwing of the poor. Now banks req'd accounts to hold a certain amount of money, don't maintain it, fees. Fees for this, fees for that. People questioned where these mergers were leading to and the banks wanted you to believe it was in the country's interest. Look where we are at now. Once again, the poor were hit hard but I will agree, the middle class is getting whacked too. I own a townhome and our taxes are over $5,000.00 a year so I know what people are saying. The Asbury Park Press has a website that gives salaries and pensions of all state and municipal employees. If your not on the winning end, it should knock your socks off because you are paying for it. But I'm getting away from myself. I have been where you've been, I've done the same walk. It steered me back into the military. I'm blind in one eye from a screwdriver accident when I was 5, trust me, searching for a job w/this disability was difficult, especially when I've been involved in physical labor. If anything, I don't look at it the way you do. I realize the chips are stacked against many poor and minorities. If you've ever been to unemployment, I have been, you'll realize how much you are on your own, ESPECIALLY if your lacking skills. There's something more I want to say, but it is better left unsaid. I will add this again, it's not the poor who are draining us, look at the pensions and salaries. Look at the pensions and salaries!!!!!!!!!! You are obviously a conservative, therefore, what I said means nothing to you. It doesn't register. Your taxes are paying for these extravagences yet the easy way to view it is blame it on the poor. What cracks me up and I stated this on another forum is w/all this knowledge, all this education in this country, we have degrees in this and that, and it's the poor that are doing it to us. Yeah, right. They are sitting home (remember, they are lazy to begin with) plotting ways to keep them down. They are one step ahead (or is that behind) us. Confusing???? Not to me!
One more thing. Until recently it was the top 20%. Our wonderful Governor just knocked it down to 15% hurting the kids in inner city schools the most. You know the one, he made himself 500 million dollars at Goldman Sachs, is a big supporter of Obama, and keeps using his money to buy himself new things, like senate seats and the governorship.
Oh, there are also states like Georgia where if you are a high achiever in high school you can skip county/community college and attend state universities for free. Say goodbye to those programs as well.