03-03-2025, 10:33 PM
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(03-03-2025, 06:05 PM)Duneranger Wrote: NATO is a joke, the EU and friends have smugly praised their "robust" social systems for years while also riding the coattails/coffers of the US for YEARS. Neglecting their defense and siphoning the US for everything we are worth. Pretty crappy allies if you ask me. ONLY now do they realize how complacent they have been when the US doesn't want to play their games anymore. I TRAINED with NATO forces, they literally leeched off of us for every training exercise and took nothing seriously.
Let EUROPE's defense be on the EU no more siphoning the US over and over. Only now does the EU propose a peace deal after doing nothing for 3 years, and that peace deal still needs US backing per the UK. Shocker lol. The EU and the rest of NATO are pathetic as is the UN. The US holds the cards as Trump said.
Ukraine has objectively lost and the stalemate will result in the deaths of hundreds and hundreds of thousands. Its easy to talk tough when you are not getting blown to pieces. I have seen the videos, its a gritty trench style warfare reminiscent to WW1. The Dems and EU are pro-war and death, what an interesting turn the world has made. Putin is a dictator who only values strength instead of honor, both of the latter have none of either. The war needs to end and yes Ukraine WILL lose territory. There is absolutely no way they can drive Russia out at this point. Absolutely ZERO.
Ah yes, the classic “NATO is a joke” take—because clearly, the best way to ensure America’s security is to weaken the alliance that has kept global stability for decades.
Let’s break this down:
- “Europe has leeched off the U.S. for defense” – You mean the same Europe that has steadily increased defense spending since 2014? The same NATO allies that now meet or exceed their 2% GDP defense spending commitments? If Trump did anything, it was scare them into accelerating that process—but pretending they’ve done nothing is just ignoring reality.
- “The U.S. holds the cards” – Sure, if by “holds the cards” you mean undermining allies, empowering dictators, and making America look unreliable on the global stage. Trump’s idea of “strength” is alienating our closest partners while giving Putin and Xi everything they want: a divided, weakened West.
- “Ukraine has objectively lost” – Objectively? Last I checked, Russia wanted to take Kyiv in three days, and here we are over two years later with Russia bleeding resources. Have you seen their casualty rates? Their economy is held together with duct tape and oil exports to China. Ukraine is outmatched in firepower but far from defeated.
- “The EU just now wants peace” – Because peace talks should have started when exactly? When Russia was trying to erase Ukraine off the map? When Putin was talking about restoring the Soviet empire? “Peace” means Russia stops invading its neighbors, not rewarding them with land grabs.
- “The rest of your points are lies or smears” – Ah yes, the classic “I have no rebuttal, so I’ll just call everything fake” move. Look, if you’re fine with golden sneakers, porn star hush money, and praising dictators as long as they “show strength,” that’s your prerogative. But don’t pretend the guy who bent over backwards for Putin is the one who’s “tough.”
Whether he meant to or not, Trump’s meeting with Zelenskyy gave Russia exactly what it wanted. The Kremlin is now spinning it as proof that U.S. support for Ukraine is wavering, using it for propaganda, and pushing the idea that aid will dry up—putting Ukraine in a weaker position.
Read more here: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgro...mp-meeting