(02-16-2022, 09:45 PM)alexf.1990 Wrote:(02-16-2022, 09:10 PM)sanantone Wrote:(02-16-2022, 08:43 PM)alexf.1990 Wrote:(02-16-2022, 08:20 PM)sanantone Wrote:(02-16-2022, 07:08 PM)alexf.1990 Wrote: The race of the founder is irrelevant when that organization is representing 20,000 Asian plaintiffs. They're clearly not a white supremacist organization in the true sense of the word. Perhaps you're just using it as a lazy pejorative against any person or organization that criticizes lefitsts.
Using race-based discrimination to correct previous race-based discrimination is infantile and sloppy. Black and LatinX students aren't underrepresented at these schools, they're dramatically over-represented if you assess their qualifications by any objective measure.
What other admissions preferences could SFFA have targeted? Harvard's racial preferences appear to be the only preference that is clearly unconstitutional. They are a private university, afterall. They should only be restricted from discriminating based on protected classes: race, gender, national origin, and disability; just as every other private business.
Huh? When did I call SFFA a white supremacist organization? You were the only person in this thread who used the term "white supremacist." You're seeing what you want to see and not what's actually there. Embarrassing.
Maybe you should read some court cases on disparate impact.
Federal laws prohibit job discrimination based on race, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, national origin, religion, age, military status, equal pay, pregnancy, disability or genetic information and prohibits both "disparate treatment" and "disparate impact" discrimination.
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-qa/pages/disparateimpactdisparatetreatment.aspx
https://www.findlaw.com/employment/employment-discrimination/disparate-impact-discrimination.html
You said that ALDC admissions policies support white supremacy. You stated that SFFA was started by a "white man" and then asked why they weren't going after other ALDC policies. Its quite clear what you were implying.
Disparate impact has never been applied to college admissions. Moreover, disparate impact cases allow for discriminatory practices if there is a business necessity. Let's say you're in the business of selecting the most intelligent students to attend your university. It would be trivial to argue that considering SAT scores and GPAs are a necessary process, regardless of the ethnic makeup of the resulting class ends up. If that same university were to whimsically decide they were going to use race as a factor to make up for "historic oppression," that would be a case of disparate impact per se.
That's a reach. You can't use a perjorative without using the perjorative. And, Ivy League schools' reasoning for putting ALDC in place decades ago is not connected to SFFA's mission. What I said pretty plainly is that SFFA wants to get rid of certain non-merit preferences without having a negative impact on White applicants.
I brought up disparate impact because ALDC has a disparate impact on Asian applicants. Legacy and child of employee preferences are not based on merit. They do not bring in the brightest students. At least donor preferences directly bring in money, and athlete preferences indirectly bring in money, but they're not bringing in the smartest students.
Getting rid of ALDC admissions policies wouldn't result in a decrease in the number of white admits. We went over this a month ago. You can absolutely imply a pejorative. You're a PhD candidate, you really can't expect me to believe you when you play dumb.
ALDC admissions policies can be argued to have a legitimate business interest. Legacy admissions are a significant fundraising tool for Harvard. Legacies give, in large part, because they know that adcoms will review their donation history when their child applies. I don't know what the reasoning is behind giving a boost to children of employees, but Harvard has a fairly diverse staff. I would be surprised if this gave any meaningful boost to white admits.
But again, disparate impact has only ever been applied to a company's hiring practices. There's no case law that would allow it to be applied to admissions policies. If SFFA went this route, they'd likely end up before SCOTUS anyway. With the current composition of SCOTUS, they're much more likely to strike down AA than extend disparate impact tests into university admissions practices.
As a noun, a pejorative is specifically an inflammatory word or phrase. It's not an idea. Saying that someone can imply a pejorative is like saying that someone can imply a slur. Criticism of an organization's legal strategy is not a pejorative. There's a lot of projection going on because you've said so many dumb things. Just admit that you thought you saw "white supremacist" by mistake while you were reading your quoted post. You would look smarter admitting a simple mistake than forcing this stupid argument in an attempt to not look dumb.
SFFA is using the disparate impact argument! They're arguing that personality scores are having a disparate impact on Asian students. If disparate impact couldn't be applied to college admissions, that would have killed a main part of their case. Besides, the Department of Education looks for disparate impact on students at higher education institutions.
You tried to prove that ALDC wouldn't significantly reduce the number of White admits by referring to two simulations. ALDC includes four types of preferences. Two of them were not simulated, but a review of student stats showed that many of these applicants had almost no chance of being admitted based on academic qualifications.
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