05-06-2018, 08:37 PM
Anyone who gets a passing grade on the course DID do the work, adequately to be considered legitimate. There are other things far more likely to "cheapen" a degree, like lax grading in actual classes that leads to average students/work getting A/B grades, and some of the ridiculously junk classes.
But to give you an example of what I mean when I say I'm not really concerned about learning the material...I am now having to take English 101 and 102 for essentially the third time. I already write well in English (notwithstanding my heavily informal writing in fora like this one), have gotten A's in previous iterations of these courses, and have been writing college-level papers for three years now with straight A's. But none of my prior English classes will transfer in, for various reasons. I have better things to do with my time than spend ages polishing up a paper so it's "A-worthy" when all I need is a C to pass a Straighterline class so I can get the blasted general ed requirement out of the way. I'm not "bypassing" any learning; I just already KNOW the material and don't feel the need to waste a lot of time on it.
The entire POINT, for most of us, of getting a good portion of a degree program done this way, is to not waste time and effort on things that aren't worth it.
On the other hand, in my ACTUAL college classes, I've had to deal with students whose writing is atrocious, who still can't figure out how to cite their references after three years in school, and who act like being asked to define "adverb" is rocket science. And these people are, by and large, not only passing, but getting good grades. That is a far greater threat to the integrity of college degrees than those of us who are doing the bare minimum to eke out C's on general ed to transfer in.
But to give you an example of what I mean when I say I'm not really concerned about learning the material...I am now having to take English 101 and 102 for essentially the third time. I already write well in English (notwithstanding my heavily informal writing in fora like this one), have gotten A's in previous iterations of these courses, and have been writing college-level papers for three years now with straight A's. But none of my prior English classes will transfer in, for various reasons. I have better things to do with my time than spend ages polishing up a paper so it's "A-worthy" when all I need is a C to pass a Straighterline class so I can get the blasted general ed requirement out of the way. I'm not "bypassing" any learning; I just already KNOW the material and don't feel the need to waste a lot of time on it.
The entire POINT, for most of us, of getting a good portion of a degree program done this way, is to not waste time and effort on things that aren't worth it.
On the other hand, in my ACTUAL college classes, I've had to deal with students whose writing is atrocious, who still can't figure out how to cite their references after three years in school, and who act like being asked to define "adverb" is rocket science. And these people are, by and large, not only passing, but getting good grades. That is a far greater threat to the integrity of college degrees than those of us who are doing the bare minimum to eke out C's on general ed to transfer in.
-Rachel
BS in Interdiscipl. Studies (Health Sci. + Beh. Sci. [Coaching] + Business) at Liberty U
Liberty U: 36 cred finished
LU ICE exam: 4 cred
Christopher Newport U: 2 cred
Amer. Coll. of Healthcare Sciences: 52 cred (+14 non-transferable)
Study.com: Pers Fin, Amer Gov
Shmoop: Bible as Lit, Lit in Media
SL: Bus. Ethics, IT Fundamentals, Intro to Religion, Intro to Comm, Intro to Sociology, Surv of World History, Engl Comp I&II
TECEP: Intro to Critical Reasoning (didn't transfer)
ALEKS: Intro Stats
BS in Interdiscipl. Studies (Health Sci. + Beh. Sci. [Coaching] + Business) at Liberty U
Liberty U: 36 cred finished
LU ICE exam: 4 cred
Christopher Newport U: 2 cred
Amer. Coll. of Healthcare Sciences: 52 cred (+14 non-transferable)
Study.com: Pers Fin, Amer Gov
Shmoop: Bible as Lit, Lit in Media
SL: Bus. Ethics, IT Fundamentals, Intro to Religion, Intro to Comm, Intro to Sociology, Surv of World History, Engl Comp I&II
TECEP: Intro to Critical Reasoning (didn't transfer)
ALEKS: Intro Stats