New Master of Public Health at ACE $9225

[ashkir]

This interests me greatly.

You should apply !

I got accepted despite not meeting their requirement for a public health BA ?

Same here I think they are using a general bachelor in PH or closely related subject matter, work experience, or closely related subject matter graduate degree for admissions, in general, most places don't require a bachelor's in public health.  Looks like we will be in the same Cohort. You have DHA so they will accept some credits they took the research practicum, organizational communication, and global healthcare strategy from VUL need to send your transcript and syllabus for each course.

I sent them my transscript and syllabus. They asked me to fill out a form and choose which classes I want to get my credits covered for, etc one by one. Did you have to do that?

[newdegree]

This interests me greatly.

You should apply !

I got accepted despite not meeting their requirement for a public health BA ?

Same here I think they are using a general bachelor in PH or closely related subject matter, work experience, or closely related subject matter graduate degree for admissions, in general, most places don't require a bachelor's in public health.  Looks like we will be in the same Cohort. You have DHA so they will accept some credits they took the research practicum, organizational communication, and global healthcare strategy from VUL need to send your transcript and syllabus for each course.

I sent them my transscript and syllabus. They asked me to fill out a form and choose which classes I want to get my credits covered for, etc one by one. Did you have to do that?

Yes I had to do it as well on the system the form. 
Ace Course RES5303 Research Methods and Applied Statistics = Virginia University of Lynchburg – DHA 808 Research Practicum
Ace Course HLTH5053 Public Health Literacy and Communication = Virginia University of Lynchburg – DHA 802 Organizational Communication
Ace Course HLTH5453 Health Policy Evaluation and Development = Virginia University of Lynchburg – DHA 806 Global Healthcare Strategy 

Those were the only classes I was able to get accepted to from VUL. They only accept 9 credits anyways for transfer. If you have other degrees you can play around with some classes that are very similar to see if they accept them for transfer credit. If you have over 9 credits approved you can select the 9 credits (3 courses) you want to be transferred in. I just kept it simple and accepted the three VUL courses.

[cardiacclep]

Public health is one of those degrees it matters where you graduate from. Top flight schools provide direct access to good public health related jobs like consulting or data analytics straight out of school. Lesser brand name MPH schools still are valid if the are CEPH accredited. I am all for affordable but this seems like it would be a true waste of time and money.....I would advise caution on this one.

I always thought MPH degree needed a clinical base to be worth it. I think something like data analytics would take more training than a MPH would provide, no?

MPH programs have different concentrations. Many good programs have an emphasis in industrial hygiene or more commonly biostats/epidemiology. These concentrations provide a direct path to a career compared to a MPH that is more what they call a generalist. It really depends on the career path you would want. I know programs that are heavily concentrated in biostats have great job outlooks as biostats is a great quantitative skill that can be applied in many sectors not just healthcare. Biostats and epidemiology training provide skills like graduate level statistics and R/SAS/Python/Linux skills that can lead to direct placement into great paying careers. Also, not being CEPH accredited may limit access to future certifications which may or may not be important to some.

The ACE program doesn't provides a brand name (odd name really) or robust training in the above skills at a quick glance but I could be wrong. I would recommend the Eastern Washington U MPH program as it is just a few thousand ($16,000) more but checks the above boxes. Not trying to bag on the ACE program but it still costs money and time with unclear outcomes for graduates is my concern. ACE seems like a good option to get checkbox degrees to aid in advancement in education and BSN degrees to which any accredited degree will aid in career advancement.....but I just don't see the value/purpose of their MPH. That said....at least they follow a good model to make education affordable. 

TLDR; Education masters that are cheap like ACE provides is great as teachers are criminally underpaid and it will aid them in their career without the burden of debt but their MPH value proposition is not great if a robust career in public health is the goal.

[newdegree]

Public health is one of those degrees it matters where you graduate from. Top flight schools provide direct access to good public health related jobs like consulting or data analytics straight out of school. Lesser brand name MPH schools still are valid if the are CEPH accredited. I am all for affordable but this seems like it would be a true waste of time and money.....I would advise caution on this one.

I always thought MPH degree needed a clinical base to be worth it. I think something like data analytics would take more training than a MPH would provide, no?

MPH programs have different concentrations. Many good programs have an emphasis in industrial hygiene or more commonly biostats/epidemiology. These concentrations provide a direct path to a career compared to a MPH that is more what they call a generalist. It really depends on the career path you would want. I know programs that are heavily concentrated in biostats have great job outlooks as biostats is a great quantitative skill that can be applied in many sectors not just healthcare. Biostats and epidemiology training provide skills like graduate level statistics and R/SAS/Python/Linux skills that can lead to direct placement into great paying careers. Also, not being CEPH accredited may limit access to future certifications which may or may not be important to some.

The ACE program doesn't provides a brand name (odd name really) or robust training in the above skills at a quick glance but I could be wrong. I would recommend the Eastern Washington U MPH program as it is just a few thousand ($16,000) more but checks the above boxes. Not trying to bag on the ACE program but it still costs money and time with unclear outcomes for graduates is my concern. ACE seems like a good option to get checkbox degrees to aid in advancement in education and BSN degrees to which any accredited degree will aid in career advancement.....but I just don't see the value/purpose of their MPH. That said....at least they follow a good model to make education affordable. 

TLDR; Education masters that are cheap like ACE provides is great as teachers are criminally underpaid and it will aid them in their career without the burden of debt but their MPH value proposition is not great if a robust career in public health is the goal.

I appreciate the advice, I am planning to use my MPH as padding when applying for administration jobs since I already have a doctorate in healthcare administration. In the future I may take a Doctorate in public health from a school that is CEPH, generally, I found a few really good programs that do not require the MPH degree to be from a CEPH-accredited college as they just want a general MPH degree as a requirement for admissions. Again every school is different in its admissions requirements. 

Also since I am transferring in credits I'm only paying about $6500 or less to do the degree so it's a great value. It is a fast degree with classes 5 weeks long each and if you get permission you can double up on classes as well. Only downside is no financial aid is accepted only private loans or self-pay courses as you go.

[ashkir]

Public health is one of those degrees it matters where you graduate from. Top flight schools provide direct access to good public health related jobs like consulting or data analytics straight out of school. Lesser brand name MPH schools still are valid if the are CEPH accredited. I am all for affordable but this seems like it would be a true waste of time and money.....I would advise caution on this one.

I always thought MPH degree needed a clinical base to be worth it. I think something like data analytics would take more training than a MPH would provide, no?

MPH programs have different concentrations. Many good programs have an emphasis in industrial hygiene or more commonly biostats/epidemiology. These concentrations provide a direct path to a career compared to a MPH that is more what they call a generalist. It really depends on the career path you would want. I know programs that are heavily concentrated in biostats have great job outlooks as biostats is a great quantitative skill that can be applied in many sectors not just healthcare. Biostats and epidemiology training provide skills like graduate level statistics and R/SAS/Python/Linux skills that can lead to direct placement into great paying careers. Also, not being CEPH accredited may limit access to future certifications which may or may not be important to some.

The ACE program doesn't provides a brand name (odd name really) or robust training in the above skills at a quick glance but I could be wrong. I would recommend the Eastern Washington U MPH program as it is just a few thousand ($16,000) more but checks the above boxes. Not trying to bag on the ACE program but it still costs money and time with unclear outcomes for graduates is my concern. ACE seems like a good option to get checkbox degrees to aid in advancement in education and BSN degrees to which any accredited degree will aid in career advancement.....but I just don't see the value/purpose of their MPH. That said....at least they follow a good model to make education affordable. 

TLDR; Education masters that are cheap like ACE provides is great as teachers are criminally underpaid and it will aid them in their career without the burden of debt but their MPH value proposition is not great if a robust career in public health is the goal.

I appreciate the advice, I am planning to use my MPH as padding when applying for administration jobs since I already have a doctorate in healthcare administration. In the future I may take a Doctorate in public health from a school that is CEPH, generally, I found a few really good programs that do not require the MPH degree to be from a CEPH-accredited college as they just want a general MPH degree as a requirement for admissions. Again every school is different in its admissions requirements. 

Also since I am transferring in credits I'm only paying about $6500 or less to do the degree so it's a great value. It is a fast degree with classes 5 weeks long each and if you get permission you can double up on classes as well. Only downside is no financial aid is accepted only private loans or self-pay courses as you go.

Thank you! The 9 credits cuts $2115 from tuition and $360 in technology fees. 

$5640 for the remaining credits (24 x $235) 
$960 for the technology fee (24 x $40)
= $6600
+ $100 graduation.

Damnnnn. That's cheaper than my UMPI master's. I'm going to see if I can pull my finances together enugh for this. Paying $400 a month for medicine right now is ridic. I'm going to look through their scholarships etc to see if I can cut costs more.

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Public health is one of those degrees it matters where you graduate from. Top flight schools provide direct access to good public health related jobs like consulting or data analytics straight out of school. Lesser brand name MPH schools still are valid if the are CEPH accredited. I am all for affordable but this seems like it would be a true waste of time and money.....I would advise caution on this one.

I always thought MPH degree needed a clinical base to be worth it. I think something like data analytics would take more training than a MPH would provide, no?

MPH programs have different concentrations. Many good programs have an emphasis in industrial hygiene or more commonly biostats/epidemiology. These concentrations provide a direct path to a career compared to a MPH that is more what they call a generalist. It really depends on the career path you would want. I know programs that are heavily concentrated in biostats have great job outlooks as biostats is a great quantitative skill that can be applied in many sectors not just healthcare. Biostats and epidemiology training provide skills like graduate level statistics and R/SAS/Python/Linux skills that can lead to direct placement into great paying careers. Also, not being CEPH accredited may limit access to future certifications which may or may not be important to some.

The ACE program doesn't provides a brand name (odd name really) or robust training in the above skills at a quick glance but I could be wrong. I would recommend the Eastern Washington U MPH program as it is just a few thousand ($16,000) more but checks the above boxes. Not trying to bag on the ACE program but it still costs money and time with unclear outcomes for graduates is my concern. ACE seems like a good option to get checkbox degrees to aid in advancement in education and BSN degrees to which any accredited degree will aid in career advancement.....but I just don't see the value/purpose of their MPH. That said....at least they follow a good model to make education affordable. 

TLDR; Education masters that are cheap like ACE provides is great as teachers are criminally underpaid and it will aid them in their career without the burden of debt but their MPH value proposition is not great if a robust career in public health is the goal.

I appreciate the advice, I am planning to use my MPH as padding when applying for administration jobs since I already have a doctorate in healthcare administration. In the future I may take a Doctorate in public health from a school that is CEPH, generally, I found a few really good programs that do not require the MPH degree to be from a CEPH-accredited college as they just want a general MPH degree as a requirement for admissions. Again every school is different in its admissions requirements. 

Also since I am transferring in credits I'm only paying about $6500 or less to do the degree so it's a great value. It is a fast degree with classes 5 weeks long each and if you get permission you can double up on classes as well. Only downside is no financial aid is accepted only private loans or self-pay courses as you go.

I also found CEPH seems to only be required for government jobs. My local public health offices have officials from non CEPH schools, etc.

[newdegree]

Public health is one of those degrees it matters where you graduate from. Top flight schools provide direct access to good public health related jobs like consulting or data analytics straight out of school. Lesser brand name MPH schools still are valid if the are CEPH accredited. I am all for affordable but this seems like it would be a true waste of time and money.....I would advise caution on this one.

I always thought MPH degree needed a clinical base to be worth it. I think something like data analytics would take more training than a MPH would provide, no?

MPH programs have different concentrations. Many good programs have an emphasis in industrial hygiene or more commonly biostats/epidemiology. These concentrations provide a direct path to a career compared to a MPH that is more what they call a generalist. It really depends on the career path you would want. I know programs that are heavily concentrated in biostats have great job outlooks as biostats is a great quantitative skill that can be applied in many sectors not just healthcare. Biostats and epidemiology training provide skills like graduate level statistics and R/SAS/Python/Linux skills that can lead to direct placement into great paying careers. Also, not being CEPH accredited may limit access to future certifications which may or may not be important to some.

The ACE program doesn't provides a brand name (odd name really) or robust training in the above skills at a quick glance but I could be wrong. I would recommend the Eastern Washington U MPH program as it is just a few thousand ($16,000) more but checks the above boxes. Not trying to bag on the ACE program but it still costs money and time with unclear outcomes for graduates is my concern. ACE seems like a good option to get checkbox degrees to aid in advancement in education and BSN degrees to which any accredited degree will aid in career advancement.....but I just don't see the value/purpose of their MPH. That said....at least they follow a good model to make education affordable. 

TLDR; Education masters that are cheap like ACE provides is great as teachers are criminally underpaid and it will aid them in their career without the burden of debt but their MPH value proposition is not great if a robust career in public health is the goal.

I appreciate the advice, I am planning to use my MPH as padding when applying for administration jobs since I already have a doctorate in healthcare administration. In the future I may take a Doctorate in public health from a school that is CEPH, generally, I found a few really good programs that do not require the MPH degree to be from a CEPH-accredited college as they just want a general MPH degree as a requirement for admissions. Again every school is different in its admissions requirements. 

Also since I am transferring in credits I'm only paying about $6500 or less to do the degree so it's a great value. It is a fast degree with classes 5 weeks long each and if you get permission you can double up on classes as well. Only downside is no financial aid is accepted only private loans or self-pay courses as you go.

Thank you! The 9 credits cuts $2115 from tuition and $360 in technology fees. 

$5640 for the remaining credits (24 x $235) 
$960 for the technology fee (24 x $40)
= $6600
+ $100 graduation.

Damnnnn. That's cheaper than my UMPI master's. I'm going to see if I can pull my finances together enugh for this. Paying $400 a month for medicine right now is ridic. I'm going to look through their scholarships etc to see if I can cut costs more.

---

Public health is one of those degrees it matters where you graduate from. Top flight schools provide direct access to good public health related jobs like consulting or data analytics straight out of school. Lesser brand name MPH schools still are valid if the are CEPH accredited. I am all for affordable but this seems like it would be a true waste of time and money.....I would advise caution on this one.

I always thought MPH degree needed a clinical base to be worth it. I think something like data analytics would take more training than a MPH would provide, no?

MPH programs have different concentrations. Many good programs have an emphasis in industrial hygiene or more commonly biostats/epidemiology. These concentrations provide a direct path to a career compared to a MPH that is more what they call a generalist. It really depends on the career path you would want. I know programs that are heavily concentrated in biostats have great job outlooks as biostats is a great quantitative skill that can be applied in many sectors not just healthcare. Biostats and epidemiology training provide skills like graduate level statistics and R/SAS/Python/Linux skills that can lead to direct placement into great paying careers. Also, not being CEPH accredited may limit access to future certifications which may or may not be important to some.

The ACE program doesn't provides a brand name (odd name really) or robust training in the above skills at a quick glance but I could be wrong. I would recommend the Eastern Washington U MPH program as it is just a few thousand ($16,000) more but checks the above boxes. Not trying to bag on the ACE program but it still costs money and time with unclear outcomes for graduates is my concern. ACE seems like a good option to get checkbox degrees to aid in advancement in education and BSN degrees to which any accredited degree will aid in career advancement.....but I just don't see the value/purpose of their MPH. That said....at least they follow a good model to make education affordable. 

TLDR; Education masters that are cheap like ACE provides is great as teachers are criminally underpaid and it will aid them in their career without the burden of debt but their MPH value proposition is not great if a robust career in public health is the goal.

I appreciate the advice, I am planning to use my MPH as padding when applying for administration jobs since I already have a doctorate in healthcare administration. In the future I may take a Doctorate in public health from a school that is CEPH, generally, I found a few really good programs that do not require the MPH degree to be from a CEPH-accredited college as they just want a general MPH degree as a requirement for admissions. Again every school is different in its admissions requirements. 

Also since I am transferring in credits I'm only paying about $6500 or less to do the degree so it's a great value. It is a fast degree with classes 5 weeks long each and if you get permission you can double up on classes as well. Only downside is no financial aid is accepted only private loans or self-pay courses as you go.

I also found CEPH seems to only be required for government jobs. My local public health offices have officials from non CEPH schools, etc.

I was close with the tuition haha I tried to remember off the top of my head, but it still an amazing value. You are correct typically government jobs look for them but I have also seen people hired without CEPH for government jobs It's really up to the hiring person and the need base. 

The school doesn't really have scholarships besides small $500 ones unless you work for a cooperation or company they are partnered for. I work in the private sector so it does not apply to me. I was told I can apply for the $500 scholarship but will only most likely receive a one-time $500 scholarship if selected.

[cardiacclep]

Public health is one of those degrees it matters where you graduate from. Top flight schools provide direct access to good public health related jobs like consulting or data analytics straight out of school. Lesser brand name MPH schools still are valid if the are CEPH accredited. I am all for affordable but this seems like it would be a true waste of time and money.....I would advise caution on this one.

I always thought MPH degree needed a clinical base to be worth it. I think something like data analytics would take more training than a MPH would provide, no?

MPH programs have different concentrations. Many good programs have an emphasis in industrial hygiene or more commonly biostats/epidemiology. These concentrations provide a direct path to a career compared to a MPH that is more what they call a generalist. It really depends on the career path you would want. I know programs that are heavily concentrated in biostats have great job outlooks as biostats is a great quantitative skill that can be applied in many sectors not just healthcare. Biostats and epidemiology training provide skills like graduate level statistics and R/SAS/Python/Linux skills that can lead to direct placement into great paying careers. Also, not being CEPH accredited may limit access to future certifications which may or may not be important to some.

The ACE program doesn't provides a brand name (odd name really) or robust training in the above skills at a quick glance but I could be wrong. I would recommend the Eastern Washington U MPH program as it is just a few thousand ($16,000) more but checks the above boxes. Not trying to bag on the ACE program but it still costs money and time with unclear outcomes for graduates is my concern. ACE seems like a good option to get checkbox degrees to aid in advancement in education and BSN degrees to which any accredited degree will aid in career advancement.....but I just don't see the value/purpose of their MPH. That said....at least they follow a good model to make education affordable. 

TLDR; Education masters that are cheap like ACE provides is great as teachers are criminally underpaid and it will aid them in their career without the burden of debt but their MPH value proposition is not great if a robust career in public health is the goal.

I appreciate the advice, I am planning to use my MPH as padding when applying for administration jobs since I already have a doctorate in healthcare administration. In the future I may take a Doctorate in public health from a school that is CEPH, generally, I found a few really good programs that do not require the MPH degree to be from a CEPH-accredited college as they just want a general MPH degree as a requirement for admissions. Again every school is different in its admissions requirements. 

Also since I am transferring in credits I'm only paying about $6500 or less to do the degree so it's a great value. It is a fast degree with classes 5 weeks long each and if you get permission you can double up on classes as well. Only downside is no financial aid is accepted only private loans or self-pay courses as you go.

Interesting.....so this may be of value for you. Just curious....what is the ultimate goal as you already have a doctorate from a good medical school? I am thinking of a second masters and I feel physically tired even contemplating that endeavor let alone a second Dr.  Best wishes.

[sanantone]

I also found CEPH seems to only be required for government jobs. My local public health offices have officials from non CEPH schools, etc.

Your local public health offices are not owned by the government? 

I haven't seen that CEPH is required for many government jobs. It's mostly required for academic jobs. USPHS is the one government employer I can recall that requires CEPH accreditation. If you search CEPH at USAJobs.gov, which lists the majority of federal openings, only nine results come up, and they're all for the VA. CEPH is not even required for those openings. CEPH was just one of several programmatic accreditations listed as "preferred." 

If you search CEPH at GovernmentJobs.com, which lists over 50,000 state/local/federal jobs, there are currently only three results. Do a search on Indeed, and almost all of the results are for academia. 

Of course, just because CEPH isn't mentioned on a job ad doesn't mean that it isn't secretly preferred. However, outside of the VA and USPHS, the federal government is not all that picky about programmatic accreditation, and they definitely don't care about the prestige of your school.

[ashkir]

I also found CEPH seems to only be required for government jobs. My local public health offices have officials from non CEPH schools, etc.

Your local public health offices are not owned by the government? 

I haven't seen that CEPH is required for many government jobs. It's mostly required for academic jobs. USPHS is the one government employer I can recall that requires CEPH accreditation. If you search CEPH at USAJobs.gov, which lists the majority of federal openings, only nine results come up, and they're all for the VA. CEPH is not even required for those openings. CEPH was just one of several programmatic accreditations listed as "preferred." 

If you search CEPH at GovernmentJobs.com, which lists over 50,000 state/local/federal jobs, there are currently only three results. Do a search on Indeed, and almost all of the results are for academia. 

Of course, just because CEPH isn't mentioned on a job ad doesn't mean that it isn't secretly preferred. However, outside of the VA and USPHS, the federal government is not all that picky about programmatic accreditation, and they definitely don't care about the prestige of your school.

Sorry I should've distingushed better.

I mean they're really more used for federal government jobs. Local governments don't really enforce the CEPH. I've seen the requirement for very few public health jobs. Many of the descriptions state a Department of Education Master's is needed. I could be wrong, but that was my experience.

There's another certification for public health, I forgot what the name was, for people who didn't go to a CEPH school.

[sanantone]

I also found CEPH seems to only be required for government jobs. My local public health offices have officials from non CEPH schools, etc.

Your local public health offices are not owned by the government? 

I haven't seen that CEPH is required for many government jobs. It's mostly required for academic jobs. USPHS is the one government employer I can recall that requires CEPH accreditation. If you search CEPH at USAJobs.gov, which lists the majority of federal openings, only nine results come up, and they're all for the VA. CEPH is not even required for those openings. CEPH was just one of several programmatic accreditations listed as "preferred." 

If you search CEPH at GovernmentJobs.com, which lists over 50,000 state/local/federal jobs, there are currently only three results. Do a search on Indeed, and almost all of the results are for academia. 

Of course, just because CEPH isn't mentioned on a job ad doesn't mean that it isn't secretly preferred. However, outside of the VA and USPHS, the federal government is not all that picky about programmatic accreditation, and they definitely don't care about the prestige of your school.

Sorry I should've distingushed better.

I mean they're really more used for federal government jobs. Local governments don't really enforce the CEPH. I've seen the requirement for very few public health jobs. Many of the descriptions state a Department of Education Master's is needed. I could be wrong, but that was my experience.

There's another certification for public health, I forgot what the name was, for people who didn't go to a CEPH school.

Yeah, there's the CPH certification. If your degree program was CEPH-accredited, then you're automatically eligible to sit for the exam. If it's unaccredited, then you need three years of public health work experience. 

https://www.nbphe.org/eligibility/

If you're in environmental health, industrial hygiene, or occupational safety and want to join USPHS, ABET and EHAC are two other accreditation options. 

https://usphs.gov/professions/environmental-health/