36 years of Age, should do Bsc or Msc ?

[rachel83az]

I don't think that there are any Canadian universities that offer accelerated or discounted degrees in the same way that US universities do (by using Study.com, etc.). As far as I'm aware, they're all quite expensive for international students and they take at least 3 years to complete. There is a reason why many students in other countries come to this forum to get an American degree.

[carrythenothing]

Is Statistics.com worth it? Very expensive courses, can we not do most of the courses from Sophia.org / Study.com ?

Most of the area of study cannot be transferred from anywhere except Statistics.com for the BSDSA.

[allvia]

I know there has been talk about getting a master's without a bachelor, but you should be aware if you're looking to get a US master's you're going to need a bachelor's degree (US or eligible international) first. Your budget is good for what we promote here, but in general you're budget is 'good school' not 'top school' no matter what degree you choose. All the schools we recommend here are 'good schools' and have all the proper accreditation that would be expected from a US college/university.  Now the questions is, could you get into a 'top school' master's with a bachelor's from one of the 'good schools' we recommend here? Yes, it is possible (it has happened, we have people here who have done so). Getting into a 'top school' master's is about more than where you earned your bachelor's (or the simple ability to pay for it). Also, keep in mind that in the US a master's from any school is not common, so having a bachelor's and a master's each from 'good schools' puts you well ahead of most people automatically (and this is something you can achieve within your budget).

[Pikachu]

Canadian universities don't accept alt credit. Their online programs are not async let alone self-paced and they cost just as much as their on-campus versions (which for international students is 3-5x the price for domestic). You don't get any PGWP (post-study visa) for online Canadian education negating the biggest benefit of graduating from a Canadian university. Doing an online program from a Canadian university is a waste of time and money.

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3 universities in Canada do have an on-campus accelerated post-bac BS in CS (or equivalent) - Algoma, UBC, and Simon Fraser.

[senior_dev]

UC Boulder (via Coursera) is $20k for the Ms in Data Science; and $25k for the Bs in Data Science or BS in Computer Science

I don't think this is correct. UC Boulder doesn't offer an undergrad DS program and the CS program is almost $900/credit, which would make it way more expensive than $25k. In addition, it's a BS in "Applied" CS.

There was a link to the Coursera degrees we're discussing here, and they list those prices right on the website.

The Coursera website is very vague on details about the Bs programs, but there's no mention of CU Boulder anywhere.

[rachel83az]

I was also checking Outlier too, they also provide Associate Applied Computing, and accept Credits, and than to BSc. 

I would not do this, it'd be WAY too expensive. 

How is Golden Gate University too ?

Also outside of your budget, I believe.

Maybe i do side by side with TESU ? And maybe in TESU i take Data Science?

Most schools won't allow you to complete multiple Bachelor's degrees. It's also a really bad idea to try to complete two at once, especially with a limited budget.

What would be the faster way for English credit acceptance,
Well i can give IELTS, but will at-least take me 45-60 days to practice new vocabulary , and improve my skills further in English, to get a better Band Score.

I don't know how much it would cost you to get an IELTS, but here are a few options:

• Take 3 courses from ASU Universal Learner. Total cost would be $1225USD ($425 per course). https://ea.asu.edu/courses/
  
• Take 3 courses from TEL Learning. Total cost would be $600 USD ($200 per course). https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/TEL_Learning
  
• Possible solution: Take XAMK courses and get those evaluated. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/XAMK Since XAMK courses are conducted in English, I think this might work even though the university is in Finland. Total cost: Approximately $200 for the evaluation + any XAMK course fees. The Video Games Creation certificate is free, and you can do about 10 ECTS without any programming at all and in just a couple of weeks. (This should be about 30 US credits with an evaluation from ACEI.) But there are other XAMK courses that are free. You would want to do at least one of these in order to gain access to the Peppi system. This solution may be rejected by TESU as being invalid for proof of English proficiency. It can still be a cheap way to get non-alt source credits, however.
  
• 2nd possible solution: As outlined on the XAMK wiki page, take 1 XAMK course and then use that login to access another Finnish university that has courses that might interest you more. Helsinki has a much larger selection, including courses in AI and Data Science. For instance, this course on Data Analysis with Python. Other related courses here. Same caveat as XAMK: relatively cheap source of credits, but may not prove English proficiency for TESU's purposes.
  

You could also mix and match the above solutions, such as taking 1 ASU course and 2 TEL Learning courses.

Is Statistics.com worth it? Very expensive courses, can we not do most of the courses from Sophia.org / Study.com ?

For TESU's Data Science degree, no, the data science courses must come from Statistics.com. This is why I recommended Computer Science + inexpensive Coursera certificates in data science & analytics. It might not be exactly what you're looking for, but it's fast, low-cost, and will look good for immigration (wherever you go).

[tuckerarabi786]

I don't think that there are any Canadian universities that offer accelerated or discounted degrees in the same way that US universities do (by using Study.com, etc.). As far as I'm aware, they're all quite expensive for international students and they take at least 3 years to complete. There is a reason why many students in other countries come to this forum to get an American degree.

I see.. And i hope If i complete BSc or BA from say TESU in next 12 months, if i am able to gather all credits in next 2-3 months, So probably starting remaining credits with TESU Jan'23.
After completion and gaining the Degree.
Can Immigration Officers say in US or Canada or University (when i am planning to do Masters, say probably i plan to do on-campus in Canada or USA).... can any ask or know, that i completed my BSc in just 12 months? 
Do you think can Immigration Officer raise concern a BSc or BA done online ? I know this group is not related to this, but maybe you might have asked this question earlier... 
Do they care how quick i finish? Or they just care about i have a Degree Paper in my hand ?

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Is Statistics.com worth it? Very expensive courses, can we not do most of the courses from Sophia.org / Study.com ?

Most of the area of study cannot be transferred from anywhere except Statistics.com for the BSDSA.

Thanks.
Yes - I have emailed Statistics.com if they have any discount available. Lets see. 

i looked at your Signature, very impressive, i see you have done multiple courses, after looking at the excel sheet. 
Did you take ASNSM in Mathematics after completing BA in CS, or we can do it during too. 

Doing MLIS from which Uni ?

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I know there has been talk about getting a master's without a bachelor, but you should be aware if you're looking to get a US master's you're going to need a bachelor's degree (US or eligible international) first. Your budget is good for what we promote here, but in general you're budget is 'good school' not 'top school' no matter what degree you choose. All the schools we recommend here are 'good schools' and have all the proper accreditation that would be expected from a US college/university.  Now the questions is, could you get into a 'top school' master's with a bachelor's from one of the 'good schools' we recommend here? Yes, it is possible (it has happened, we have people here who have done so). Getting into a 'top school' master's is about more than where you earned your bachelor's (or the simple ability to pay for it). Also, keep in mind that in the US a master's from any school is not common, so having a bachelor's and a master's each from 'good schools' puts you well ahead of most people automatically (and this is something you can achieve within your budget).

Perfect.
I think TESU is gradually ticking all the areas of my concern. 


By chance do you know any other Univ. beside TESU, Purdue Global, Excelsior - that can accept credits, and probably coming in standing of Very Good or close to Top School region.
If Budget wise i do not find any huge difference, i can think of that option too.  

Just noting down all the options in excel sheet, and making a budget.

I was checking BSc in CS from University Of London which is in Coursera, i understand i am changing the region now from US to UK.  But is it really worth it to splash close to $13K. The next Cohort will begin in April 2023. 

My goal right now is to complete my BSc / BA latest by 2023 end or max 2024 mid.. So i can be in shape to probably start Masters by 2024 end and start immigration process too..
I also have an options to start MSc Data Science with University Colorado . And maybe i do that in slow pace ? 
As that does not needs Bachelors, but i do have intention to take Bachelors, and maybe do side by side... 
One another respected member of this forum suggested combination of BS/MS from Purdue Global. But i think University Colardo, ranks little better than Purdue Global..

I have budget open currently. But do not want to splash money crazily, but with careful planning, so my goals can be met by 2024 end.

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Canadian universities don't accept alt credit. Their online programs are not async let alone self-paced and they cost just as much as their on-campus versions (which for international students is 3-5x the price for domestic). You don't get any PGWP (post-study visa) for online Canadian education negating the biggest benefit of graduating from a Canadian university. Doing an online program from a Canadian university is a waste of time and money.

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3 universities in Canada do have an on-campus accelerated post-bac BS in CS (or equivalent) - Algoma, UBC, and Simon Fraser.

Yes.
I may do BA / BSc online 
And than plan for on-campus Masters maybe in Canada. Lets see, just planning all options.
Or maybe taking Online Associate Degree from Canada too, so maybe this might help in immigration process say when i plan in 2024... Having something to say i did some kind of a degree from Canada too

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I was also checking Outlier too, they also provide Associate Applied Computing, and accept Credits, and than to BSc. 

I would not do this, it'd be WAY too expensive. 

How is Golden Gate University too ?

Also outside of your budget, I believe.

Maybe i do side by side with TESU ? And maybe in TESU i take Data Science?

Most schools won't allow you to complete multiple Bachelor's degrees. It's also a really bad idea to try to complete two at once, especially with a limited budget.

What would be the faster way for English credit acceptance,
Well i can give IELTS, but will at-least take me 45-60 days to practice new vocabulary , and improve my skills further in English, to get a better Band Score.

I don't know how much it would cost you to get an IELTS, but here are a few options:

• Take 3 courses from ASU Universal Learner. Total cost would be $1225USD ($425 per course). https://ea.asu.edu/courses/
  
• Take 3 courses from TEL Learning. Total cost would be $600 USD ($200 per course). https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/TEL_Learning
  
• Possible solution: Take XAMK courses and get those evaluated. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/XAMK Since XAMK courses are conducted in English, I think this might work even though the university is in Finland. Total cost: Approximately $200 for the evaluation + any XAMK course fees. The Video Games Creation certificate is free, and you can do about 10 ECTS without any programming at all and in just a couple of weeks. (This should be about 30 US credits with an evaluation from ACEI.) But there are other XAMK courses that are free. You would want to do at least one of these in order to gain access to the Peppi system. This solution may be rejected by TESU as being invalid for proof of English proficiency. It can still be a cheap way to get non-alt source credits, however.
  
• 2nd possible solution: As outlined on the XAMK wiki page, take 1 XAMK course and then use that login to access another Finnish university that has courses that might interest you more. Helsinki has a much larger selection, including courses in AI and Data Science. For instance, this course on Data Analysis with Python. Other related courses here. Same caveat as XAMK: relatively cheap source of credits, but may not prove English proficiency for TESU's purposes.
  

You could also mix and match the above solutions, such as taking 1 ASU course and 2 TEL Learning courses.

Is Statistics.com worth it? Very expensive courses, can we not do most of the courses from Sophia.org / Study.com ?

For TESU's Data Science degree, no, the data science courses must come from Statistics.com. This is why I recommended Computer Science + inexpensive Coursera certificates in data science & analytics. It might not be exactly what you're looking for, but it's fast, low-cost, and will look good for immigration (wherever you go).

Ok 
i will skip the Outlier option out..

Was thinking to save time, to plan doing two bachelors or maybe 1 Bachelors.. and 1 Associate Degree... just to help me in 2024...

IELTs wont cost much. But i just need to prepare and practice for it. Will see what is the best option, The websites / option you shared will check them out too.

Correct, i emailed statistics.com also for some discount, lets see. I doubt.
Yes i am also planning for BA CS...

I asked some other question to another member too here, in my above replies. Please can you give your suggestions on that too..

Budget I can extend a little, i am open on this. 
Considering i am not in USA or Canada or UK.. And in another country, so generally for me choosing the right Univ + Degree, will at-least help me in my immigration and further employment opportunities. 
I am sure their would be many members here outside from above mentioned countries too. Noting down all the options. And will take action...

[rachel83az]

I see.. And i hope If i complete BSc or BA from say TESU in next 12 months, if i am able to gather all credits in next 2-3 months, So probably starting remaining credits with TESU Jan'23.

This seems reasonable, yes. It might or might not take you a little bit longer than that.

Can Immigration Officers say in US or Canada or University (when i am planning to do Masters, say probably i plan to do on-campus in Canada or USA).... can any ask or know, that i completed my BSc in just 12 months? 

There are dates on the university transcript, so they will be able to see it if they care. I am not an immigration lawyer, but I do not think that they will care. As long as the degree is legitimate, that's what they care about.

Do you think can Immigration Officer raise concern a BSc or BA done online ? I know this group is not related to this, but maybe you might have asked this question earlier... 

Again, not a lawyer, but I really don't think they'll care about online vs. in-person. It's possible that they might have cared 5-10 years ago, but a lot of students have been doing online university for the past 2+ years because of COVID. You'll just look like a normal student at this point. 

Even before COVID, it's also not been unheard of for students at in-person universities to take as many classes as they could all year long, instead of going home for breaks. This way, those students could graduate in 2 or 3 years and not the usual 4-6 years that the average American Bachelor's degree is supposed to take. Hurrying through university is common in the US, but not everyone is able to do it.

Do they care how quick i finish? Or they just care about i have a Degree Paper in my hand ?

They should only care about the degree itself, not how long it took to earn it.

If anyone does question you about the length of time, there are many ways to make this look like a good thing during an interview:

• Say you heard about American-only universities like WGU that could be completed quickly, so you wanted to challenge yourself to obtain a similar degree.
  
• Say you already had the knowledge, so you only needed to take the exams to prove that you had mastered the subject.
  
• Talk about how this was the best way for you to get a degree while also working.
  

But it probably will not come up. An online degree may not be very respected in some countries, but they are quite normal in the US and Canada. 

Did you take ASNSM in Mathematics after completing BA in CS, or we can do it during too. 

The ASNSM in Mathematics can be completed while doing the BACS at TESU. If you do the two degrees separately, the cost is much higher. If you do multiple degrees at once, there may be no additional TESU costs for tuition or fees and this makes the additional degree "free". Of course, there are costs associated with the additional Sophia/Study.com courses. But these are minimal.

The ASNSM Math only requires a few additional math courses beyond the courses that are needed for the BACS. You can see course suggestions here: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...athematics TESU has the degree requirements listed on this page: https://www.tesu.edu/heavin/asnsm/mathematics

Similarly, there are also certificates that you can obtain "for free" when getting a degree from TESU. The Operations Management certificate is very easy to get with the Computer Science or BSBA CIS degrees. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...Management Most of the Operations Management courses are ones that you would need anyway for either the BACS or the BSBA CIS. I do not think that any of the certificates would add value to your plan, but I mention them for the sake of awareness.

Because you are interested in Data Science/Data Analytics, I do think that the additional Mathematics degree makes a lot of sense for you. Having more math classes, especially STA-399 from a Coursera certificate, could look good if you decide to get a Master's in Analytics.

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Was thinking to save time, to plan doing two bachelors or maybe 1 Bachelors.. and 1 Associate Degree... just to help me in 2024...

I would not do two Bachelor's degrees, unless you do the BACS and the BSBA CIS. That would be almost as fast as the the BACS alone. I definitely would not do the BACS + Data Science degree. Even if there are discounts for Statistics.com, I do not think that the courses are self-paced. They also start on specific dates. Unlike Study.com & Sophia, you cannot start them whenever you want to. I think it would take at least a year to complete just the Statistics.com courses.

Getting the ASNSM in Mathematics + BACS is a good idea.

IELTs wont cost much. But i just need to prepare and practice for it. Will see what is the best option, The websites / option you shared will check them out too.

Okay. If the IELTS does not cost much money, that is good. You will still need at least 30 university credits to get a TESU degree. XAMK is good for that.

[tuckerarabi786]

Just a quick note about costs: if your budget is $15k, and you expect to get both a bachelor's and a master's for that price, then you're going to need to spend as little as possible getting the first to save for the second.  Here are some prices for degrees discussed on here:

UC Boulder (via Coursera) is $20k for the Ms in Data Science; and $25k for the Bs in Data Science or BS in Computer Science

UMass Global - minimum of $15k for the Bs in Data Science, and that's if you can get the full 90cr of transfer (which I don't think you can - besides not being able to find all of the courses you need for the major, they have a max of 70cr from CC/Alt-credit combined, and another 20cr from a 4yr school) - add the cost of 90cr

TESU's Bs in Data Science & Analytics is $6k for the courses through Statistics.com, and then $5241 tuition at TESU for the Cornerstone & fees (so $11k total) - add the cost of 90cr, including a lab science

TESU's BA in CompSci is $6846 for tuition & fees + the cost for 114 alt-credits (which must include 24cr of RA); or $5126 for the FT/FR term where you take 16cr + the cost for 104 alt-credits (which must include 14cr of RA)

So TESU accepts 90 Credits out of 120.

So 30 Credits x $535 = $16,050 - Is this calculation correct ? For Out of State Residents (which is for International Students) 
And the remaining 90 Credits through Study.com / Sophia.org etc... i think that would be $1000-2000 extra around?

So roughly i am estimating 18-20K... correct?

And University of London - Bsc Computer Science around $14-15K  And they also accept credits 
https://www.london.ac.uk/applications/ho...learning-3

[debrag]

They accept 113 so 7 x $535 to take at TESU. Also I doubt University of London accept American alt-credits - happy to be wrong.