ENEB Master Thread

[HogwartsSchool]

4) Transfer all of these credentials to get into a(n) Azteca, Costa Rica, UCN or Texila American University Ph.D program

1. Can you please go into more details about the approach of transferring credits into a Ph.D program at the listed schools?
2. Can someone transfer completed master's degrees (RA in USA) into the Ph.D programs?
3. Once transferred, what are the requirements for the Ph.D program (i.e. additional courses, etc)
4. How quickly can someone transferring the graduate credits receive their Ph.D (i.e. 12 months to write the dissertation)?

[Silvious]

The groupon was in regards to these degrees:

MBA
Master in Human Resources Management
Master in Commerce Management and Marketing
Master in Digital Marketing and e-Commerce
Master in Business and Corporate Communication
Master in Hotel Management and Tourism
Master in International Trade
Master in Project Management
Master in Supply Chain Management
Master in Management and Team Management
Master in Big Data and Business Intelligence


Unfortunately this ministry site is giving me a database error right now so it's not clear, but assuming Silvious's list is definitive, it sounds most of these aren't even recognized locally.
Reasonable case to be made for Master in Big Data and Business Intelligence, though... and I guess if we're generous we can assume The following three below, but I am curious why the ministry and the school wouldn't be consistent in degree titles.

ENEB'S MBA = Isabe's Graduated or Graduated in Business Administration and Management
ENEB'S Master in Digital Marketing and e-Commerce = Isabe's Master's Degree in Digital Marketing
ENEB'S Master in Project Management = Isabe's Master's Degree in Project Management and Direction

?

Again, I'm getting a database error, so maybe all of the Groupon listed degrees are there too. I'm just looking at what was posted on the forum.

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Responded to Silvious before really seeing what eLearner was saying.


So is this "official" vs. "Propio" somewhat similar to NA vs RA, but that in this system the "NA" equivalent (Propio) could come from a school that also has RA (Official) degrees? Not a perfect match/description I know, just trying to kind of put it in a more familiar context

I used Google Tranny to translate the degree name, so it could sound a little weird due to the factor of translation. The definite way to answer this would be comparing the eneb.es site with the recognized Spanish name. The four degrees I mentioned means it is officially accredited by the Spanish government. 

I guess in a US sense, it could be a small university that has 10 programs accredited, and they develop 3 news programs. For the first few years, the new program wouldn't be accredited, but there would still people taking it because of the main university's name to catch it before it gets recognized. (Not assuming that ENEB is trying to get accreditation for all courses).

The RA and NA system is specifically the US as the scale of education here is too big to control. I'd refer to the "official" and "propio" closer to "Public" and "Private" school (personal opinion). Some EU countries cover all public school tuition/fees, so they are perceived as better as students normally have to fight for the "free" slot. The paid "private" one is hence seen as less desirable.

[eLearner]

I used Google Tranny to translate the degree name, so it could sound a little weird due to the factor of translation. The definite way to answer this would be comparing the eneb.es site with the recognized Spanish name. The four degrees I mentioned means it is officially accredited by the Spanish government. 

I guess in a US sense, it could be a small university that has 10 programs accredited, and they develop 3 news programs. For the first few years, the new program wouldn't be accredited, but there would still people taking it because of the main university's name to catch it before it gets recognized. (Not assuming that ENEB is trying to get accreditation for all courses).

The RA and NA system is specifically the US as the scale of education here is too big to control. I'd refer to the "official" and "propio" closer to "Public" and "Private" school (personal opinion). Some EU countries cover all public school tuition/fees, so they are perceived as better as students normally have to fight for the "free" slot. The paid "private" one is hence seen as less desirable.

Spanish Universities tend to offer both degree types, so in that sense the direct comparison of public and private speaks to "Official" being for government work, and "Propio" being for private work. There are some exceptions with government work, but it's my understanding that there usually are no exceptions when it comes to entering a PhD program in Spain: for that it's "Official" or nothing. Someone here mentioned a reason for that: Propio degrees don't normally require a thesis. I take it that Spain's educational perspective is that a PhD student should have a history of thesis writing and contributing work to his/her field so coming in without that is not acceptable to them. Interestingly enough, by Spain's standards, many American Masters degree holders would not be eligible to apply for a PhD program in Spain, so that's something to chew on.

Spain does have a for-profit/non-profit system setup, and there you could apply the RA-NA/Public-Private concept, except there's a sentiment among a number of people in Spain that attending a private school is "swanky" and not a negative all, so it's a marked difference between how it's viewed there versus how Americans view it. I'm not sure why other EU countries see it differently and which ones do, but I bet it differs from country to country based on a number of country-specific cultural factors.

So the question Americans would have to that is "how then is quality ranked from a public perspective in Spain?" Well, unlike the United States, people there generally judge schools individually and not based solely on accreditation or profit status. There, like any other school, if a private for-profit school garners a good reputation, people respect it and go to it without reservation, whereas in the United States a for-profit school could provide a good education and produce good outcomes (they do exist and there are plenty of them) but still get flak from the general (and generally misinformed) public just because it's a for-profit (or to a lesser degree nationally accredited) school.

Institutional accreditors (like HLC, WASC, DEAC) in the United States only accredit institutions. Each time a school wants to introduce a new program, an institutional accreditor reviews it for its suitability and viability, then approves or disapproves it. Once approved, the IA is hands-off with the specific program they've approved unless there are lots of complaints or poor outcomes. Programmatic accreditors (like AACSB, ACBSP, ABET) accredit specific subject programs like business and engineering.

I wouldn't think ENEB would be looking to get its own individual gov-backed accreditation unless they plan to issue only their own degrees by themselves. Schools like that are fine being "accredited" by the degree-granting institution they're attached to (accreditation has a different scope and meaning there than it does here and you'll often see schools with a similar setup use the term "accredited" to denote their affiliation with a parent school that is officially recognized/accredited as deemed by that country's government). Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Isabel set the whole thing up themselves, I doubt it but wouldn't be surprised. They found a way to go English, bring in more students, expand their global reach, and do it through a program style that allows them to control costs down to the bare metal. I was recently able to see some of the material a student in the program was kind enough to share with me, and I found it quite good and well-written, but I should mention that I only saw docs from one course, I don't know what the rest may look like. If the rest are like what I was able to see, I would feel pretty good about the choice to enroll and would probably do it myself if I weren't all schooled-out . No more degrees for me... or so I say for now...

[cacoleman1983]

4) Transfer all of these credentials to get into a(n) Azteca, Costa Rica, UCN or Texila American University Ph.D program

1. Can you please go into more details about the approach of transferring credits into a Ph.D program at the listed schools?
2. Can someone transfer completed master's degrees (RA in USA) into the Ph.D programs?
3. Once transferred, what are the requirements for the Ph.D program (i.e. additional courses, etc)
4. How quickly can someone transferring the graduate credits receive their Ph.D (i.e. 12 months to write the dissertation)?

1. The schools listed , particularly Azteca and UCN are very flexible in transferring credits.   I know this because they allowed me to enroll with advanced standing for a PhD in Education although I never paid tuition in order to start the program.   At schools like these, they will allow you to transfer your Masters coursework into the Doctorate.  If you have surplus amount of ECTS credits from different certifications and degrees, they will take that into consideration regardless of the level of hours and your program can be shorten.   If I start a program with them, I can finish my PhD in 2 years or even shorter since their programs are autonomous and the surplus of hours exempts me from any coursework to complete aside from the dissertation.

2.   The completed Masters from Universidad Isabel I will probably have to be evaluated on a case by case basis and you would need to have a foreign evaluation on their degrees/diplomas in order to even have a chance of being accepted in a RA accredited school for any doctorate degree.

3.   The requirements for the PhD programs are based on the school, degree program, and rather or not they will accept credit from a Masters.

4.   With a PhD from the schools mentioned, it would take approximately two years for the dissertation portion's research doctorate (PhD) and approximately a year for the dissertation portion's professional doctorates such as the DBA.  Professional doctorates are centered more on coursework and if you have a large amount of ECTS, it would not take long to finish a DBA  With coursework, you are looking at approximately 3 years. If you come in with 120 ECTS hours (2 years) at the graduate level with an MBA, you may already be at candidacy/all but dissertation status for the DBA.

[Dee12]

Are any of you doing a master/mba with ENEB having difficulties getting answers via email? I have submitted two papers 4 weeks ago and they have not been graded yet, I have contacted the administration twice to ask for an update and they didn't respond.

I'm curious to see if someone else had the same issue with ENEB going MIA.

[eLearner]

Are any of you doing a master/mba with ENEB having difficulties getting answers via email? I have submitted two papers 4 weeks ago and they have not been graded yet, I have contacted the administration twice to ask for an update and they didn't respond.

I'm curious to see if someone else had the same issue with ENEB going MIA.

Which email address are you emailing? I'm told there is a main address for general inquiries and then certain addresses for certain assignments.

How are you writing your emails? What is the tone like? I'm not suggesting that your tone is bad, but in general an upset tone can cause a person not to respond.

If all of those things are fine, and you're still not getting a response, I would contact Isabel directly and tell them ENEB is not responding to help you. If that doesn't work, contact the accreditor ANECA. If that doesn't work, contact Spain's Ministry of Education.

[Dee12]

I have submitted the assignments to accounting@eneb.com, but I'm getting nothing back from that address, not even the automatic response saying that they received your submission. Mind you this is the only "assignments" email with an issue, all the others worked flawlessly for me.

The follow-up and inquires I have sent them to academy@eneb.com. I am polite and professional in my tone. I am not upset, just curious about the status of the grading.

Thank you for the tips, if I don't hear from ENEB by the end of the week I will escalate this issue to Isabel or ANECA.

[Maelynn]

Hello all, I just recently took the chance and started this course as well. I was wondering if you could tell me how the grading has been. Tough graders? Pretty easy? Also, I looked through the student info packet but I could not find anything about revising papers. If you receive a poor grade on a paper do you have the ability to revise and resubmit? Just looking for some guidance from those of you that started this.

[eLearner]

Hello all, I just recently took the chance and started this course as well. I was wondering if you could tell me how the grading has been. Tough graders? Pretty easy? Also, I looked through the student info packet but I could not find anything about revising papers. If you receive a poor grade on a paper do you have the ability to revise and resubmit? Just looking for some guidance from those of you that started this.

You can revise a paper if you fail. They refer to it as a "call". Take a look at post #130 of this thread and you'll find a document that explains how it works.

[Cofffeee]

Did anyone have any luck with evaluating it with WES or other evaluation services? It seems like few people enrolled in the program some time ago. Maybe someone decided to evaluate their docs?
Thanks