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(10-23-2018, 10:11 AM)davewill Wrote: (10-22-2018, 06:33 PM)jsh1138 Wrote: I took a C programming course at TESU awhile back and you really do have to write multiple programs before it starts to make sense
i love Study.com and places like that but i am hugely skeptical that you can learn coding in a format like that, or onlinedegree.
It would prob be better to do some kind of free Udemy course or whatever to actually learn it, and then just use the course to get the credit for knowing it, vs trying to learn it from the course. Now that Study.com offers C+ and Java for credit, that's what i'm going to try to do with those, and with this course from onlinedegree when i get around to it.
I'm not sure that most butt-in-seat courses are any better. It's like learning real languages, unless you practice you don't learn to speak(write) it. The student needs to challenge themselves to do projects, have difficulties, and work their way through them. Luckily, that seems to be the how many of the MOOCs are organized.
The programming courses at our CC require lab time. I'm guessing they agree with everyone here that actually programming is the only way to learn...programming.
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Well I can't speak for everywhere, but when I did that C programming class at TESU, we turned in literally dozens of programs over the course of the term. I mean nothing crazy complicated, but they definitely made you do them.
I went through Study.com's C programming course afterwards, just to compare, and it wasn't anything near the same level of programming in terms of writing them. It would show you bits of code and ask about them, but not ask you to write much. I just don't think you could learn it that way, even to the low level that I learned it from the course I took. You basically have to just sit there for hours and write programs and run them and then debug them, over and over. It's very tedious but it just is what it is.
I'm planning to do a C+ or C++ course eventually and I hope some of my C learning carries over.
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(10-23-2018, 03:47 PM)jsh1138 Wrote: Well I can't speak for everywhere, but when I did that C programming class at TESU, we turned in literally dozens of programs over the course of the term. I mean nothing crazy complicated, but they definitely made you do them.
I went through Study.com's C programming course afterwards, just to compare, and it wasn't anything near the same level of programming in terms of writing them. It would show you bits of code and ask about them, but not ask you to write much. I just don't think you could learn it that way, even to the low level that I learned it from the course I took. You basically have to just sit there for hours and write programs and run them and then debug them, over and over. It's very tedious but it just is what it is.
I'm planning to do a C+ or C++ course eventually and I hope some of my C learning carries over.
I also took the Study.com C course, and that only requires a single program to be written for a grade. They do provide a coding assignment at the end of each chapter as well, but those aren't graded so I suspect people won't do them. If they don't, I suspect people will find the final programming project challenging.
C++ is an extension to C, so a lot of the core will carry over. There will be some unlearning as well since the object-oriented approach requires a slightly different mentality than traditional C programming, but it should be an easy transition. Once you know C & C++, its also easy to transition over to other C++ inspired languages, like Java, Objective-C, and even C#.
The Straighterline C++ course isn't too bad. It has several programming assignments. Nothing too complicated, but enough to get your feet wet on the coding side.
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(10-23-2018, 05:52 PM)jsd Wrote: Code: print("Hello, World!")
okay, i'm ready for a developer job!
Hehe. Yep, that is all it takes. 
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(10-21-2018, 11:06 AM)eriehiker Wrote: 68.24% final score on onlinedegree.com python intro. to programming. Bummer. BUMMER!
3 month wait to retake.
I am an English/social science high school teacher and I have been taking as many math and computer science courses as is possible to extend my knowledge. It took me two tries to pass C++ programming at Straighterline and it will, apparently, take me at least two tries at onlinedegree.com for python. I just have to say that I found the course to be difficult, informative and legitimate. Hats off to onlinedegree.com for creating free courses that are pretty good.
Is it like SL where you can get 100% on the quizzes going into the final?
Is the final reasonably like the quizzes? I haven't opened a quiz yet.
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You only get 1 try each on the quizzes. It's possible but not easy.
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It is pretty much like that. There was no way, at least when I took the class, to know my current percentage on the quizzes.
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