Are these courses graduate level?

[videogamesrock]

So I'm considering taking a few courses at UCLA Extension in Taxation. I'd like your opinion, since the courses are all but one, x400 to x499, would they be treated as graduate level courses?


X 400 to X 499: Generally post-baccalaureate credit-bearing courses and lecture series in professional fields; designed in content, focus, and presentation style to standards of instruction used in degree programs. Credit earned in these courses may lead to the award of formal certificates by UCLA Extension, and may be transferable for advanced standing in degree programs in professional studies elsewhere, subject to the procedures of the receiving institution.

[jsd]

Apparently, yes:

XLC 200 to XLC 299; XLC 400 to XLC 499: UCLA graduate and professional level courses in which Extension students enroll. Credit earned in graduate study through concurrent enrollment may be used to satisfy requirements of higher degrees at UCLA and at other institutions at the discretion of the student's graduate division, department, school, or program advisor. (Applicability rules at UCLA are described in the publication Standards and Procedures for Graduate Study at UCLA.)

They go on to state that 500-series is doctorate level.

[cookderosa]

So I'm considering taking a few courses at UCLA Extension in Taxation. I'd like your opinion, since the courses are all but one, x400 to x499, would they be treated as graduate level courses?


X 400 to X 499: Generally post-baccalaureate credit-bearing courses and lecture series in professional fields; designed in content, focus, and presentation style to standards of instruction used in degree programs. Credit earned in these courses may lead to the award of formal certificates by UCLA Extension, and may be transferable for advanced standing in degree programs in professional studies elsewhere, subject to the procedures of the receiving institution.

I might be missing something but I don't read that as graduate level.
400 level usually means senior (year 4) of undergrad, but this states "post-bac" which MAY mean graduate, but not automatically. It only means that the intent is to take the class after a bachelor's degree has been earned. My money says it will come in as undergrad.

EDIT: I also found this "Undergraduate classes (XLC 1-199) are transferable for unit, subject credit, and grade point average (GPA) in the college of Letters and Sciences at UCLA.

XLC 200-299 and XLC 400-499 are UCLA regular session Graduate and Professional level courses. Units earned at the graduate or professional level through Concurrent Enrollment will not provide advanced standing to students who are subsequently admitted to higher degree programs through UCLA's Graduate Division. (Certain course requirements for higher degrees may be waived, but only with the approval of the Graduate Division on the recommendation of the student's department at the time of admission.)

XLC 500-series courses (doctoral-level seminars) are open to Concurrent Enrollment but subject to various approvals. The process takes approximately 8 weeks. For requirements, contact Extension's Dean's Office, 10995 Le Conte Avenue Room 770, Los Angeles, CA 90024-1333. Call (310) 825-2362 for further information." https://www.uclaextension.edu/pages/str/howtoEnroll.jsp

So who the heck knows, they clearly do their own thing. My head hurts.

[videogamesrock]

What about this. It says 1-99 is Freshman Sophomore and 100-199 is Junior Senior.

Special enrollment requirements for courses numbered 1 to 99, 100-199, and 900-999:

In lower division instruction (1-99), students must be high school graduates with a "B" average or one year of college, or consent of instructor based on special attainments (i.e., a superior high school record, special competence in a particular subject matter area, or other recognized criteria). In the upper division (100-199), two years of college or consent of instructor based on special attainments is required. There are no age limitations or restrictions in preparatory and high school level instruction (900-999).

[videogamesrock]

Check this out. It lists ART classes 1-99 as LL 100-199 UL and 200+ as Graduate level. Art History Courses

Their MBA courses are 200-499.

http://registrar.ucla.edu/Academics/Cour...+&funsel=3

[jsd]

XLC 200-299 and XLC 400-499 are UCLA regular session Graduate and Professional level courses. Units earned at the graduate or professional level through Concurrent Enrollment will not provide advanced standing to students who are subsequently admitted to higher degree programs through UCLA's Graduate Division. (Certain course requirements for higher degrees may be waived, but only with the approval of the Graduate Division on the recommendation of the student's department at the time of admission.)

XLC 500-series courses (doctoral-level seminars) are open to Concurrent Enrollment but subject to various approvals. The process takes approximately 8 weeks. For requirements, contact Extension's Dean's Office, 10995 Le Conte Avenue Room 770, Los Angeles, CA 90024-1333. Call (310) 825-2362 for further information." [/B][/I] https://www.uclaextension.edu/pages/str/howtoEnroll.jsp

So who the heck knows, they clearly do their own thing. My head hurts.

this is what i posted before you. looks like, as you said, they do their own thing.

[videogamesrock]

Thanks for your help with this matter.

I may decide to complete this and use it to transfer into a graduate degree while fulfilling a second bachelors at the Big 3. Cookderosa once suggested doing reverse transfers.

[cookderosa]

Thanks for your help with this matter.

I may decide to complete this and use it to transfer into a graduate degree while fulfilling a second bachelors at the Big 3. Cookderosa once suggested doing reverse transfers.

you can for sure do reverse transfer- I think even if TESU called it upper level, it would be fine. You just need your grad school to count it as grad level! I have never looked into the school, so I'm not familiar with their numbering - it caught me off guard ( seriously, 99% of the college world is doing one way so they'll go ahead and do it another?) But I think you'd be fine at TESU either way - 400 level or graduate.

EDIT to add: the reason I have a bee in my bonnet about this is because I worked for a very very nice man- great boss- at the community college back in the 90's. My wonderful boss (who didn't have a degree, so sometimes flubbed up on academic type things) asked me to teach a "new" class he just developed for hospitality program. (program was brand new without a dept chair- so he was winging it) It was the inaugural offering, I'm honored - happy to help. The class was Hospitality Management HCM5XX (HCM=Hospitality Culinary Management)
I brought the course development module to him, and said there was a mistake, this course number was 5-something (we are a community college - so, 100/200) and he had no idea what I was talking about. I asked what he used to write the course, he said he pulled a course from another college and used it. <cough-copied-cough> Of course he used a course description from an MBA course, and no one would have known except when he submitted the number, he kept the number being used by the MBA program. Oops. I taught that stupid "500 level" course at least 4 times, but I leave it off my resume because it's makes it look like my employer was an idiot (which doesn't reflect well on me lol). The issue is that you can't just change course numbers, it requires a HUGE approval process, so we were stuck with that number for years. We did a full program revision a few years later, and it was assigned a proper number.

[videogamesrock]

That's a great story. I wonder how it transferred out?. Do you think it was awarded at the upper level?

[cookderosa]

That's a great story. I wonder how it transferred out?. Do you think it was awarded at the upper level?

I'd be willing to bet no one attempted to transfer it out- it was part of an AAS program. But if someone got upper level credit, take the money and run.