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What do you think about ChatGPT and how it will affect education?
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I will personally never write a cover letter again.
I input the current version of my Ph.D. application essay and the edits it makes are great.
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(12-12-2022, 02:16 PM)withrown Wrote: I will personally never write a cover letter again.
I input the current version of my Ph.D. application essay and the edits it makes are great.
So much this! I used it to help me tweak my cover letters, and found out that it did a way better version. It's like having a personal writing helper. Love it.
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02-13-2023, 11:37 AM
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This isn't the first time we've faced this sort of thing. Calculators were once seen as a cheat device that would make math homework useless. Online search engines made plagiarism much more common, but also helped teachers detect it.
People have probably been buying term papers to cheat for hundreds of years. Some people will try to use AI to cheat, and some will get away with it. A lot of others will get caught, either through automated anti-cheat tools, or by teachers who discover that the student doesn't really know what their paper says, or that the quality of writing doesn't match what they do on in class assignments.
Personally, I think we'll all end up using it for mundane tasks. I've seen programmers online use it to generate small code snippets, or small custom tools. Need a macro to generate that end of the month report? Why not have the AI do it?
In the short term, I think most people won't use what they get out of the bot unchanged, but eventually, they will get so good that they will mimic your own writing style or write code so good that it makes no sense to write it yourself. I think much like some people are skilled at finding what they need in a search engine, being able to coax the right output from a chatbot will become a valuable skill.
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Not sure what to think about it, I've not used this ChatGPT, I always thought it was used for those "AI" tasks such as when you go onto a website and looking for specific info, it'll link you to the right information. Other than that, if it's "more useful" than Grammarly or similar applications that help you with your grammar and spelling, I think it'll be useful to a certain point... doing your homework or anything remotely close to completing your assignment should be out of bounds.
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02-14-2023, 01:34 PM
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(02-14-2023, 11:13 AM)bjcheung77 Wrote: Not sure what to think about it, I've not used this ChatGPT, I always thought it was used for those "AI" tasks such as when you go onto a website and looking for specific info, it'll link you to the right information. Other than that, if it's "more useful" than Grammarly or similar applications that help you with your grammar and spelling, I think it'll be useful to a certain point... doing your homework or anything remotely close to completing your assignment should be out of bounds.
I encourage you to spend some time experimenting with it. It is undoubtedly capable of writing homework papers. You can ask it to write a two-page analysis of the German missteps in the "Battle of the Bulge", read the result, ask it to include some specific facts that were covered in your class, read the new result, ask it to simplify the language to that of a 9th grader, etc... and keep iterating until you're happy.
In fact, I decided to spend 10 minutes doing that. Here's the chat:
Quote:Me: Write a one page analysis of German missteps in the Battle of the Bulge.
The Battle of the Bulge was a significant turning point in World War II, with the German army launching a surprise counter-offensive against Allied forces in December 1944. Despite initial success in breaking through Allied lines and creating a bulge in the front line, German missteps ultimately led to their defeat.
One major misstep was the decision to launch the offensive with limited resources, including fuel and ammunition. The Germans hoped to capture Allied supplies and use them to fuel their advance, but they were unable to secure enough resources to sustain the offensive. As a result, their progress was slow, and they were forced to halt their advance to regroup and refuel.
Another significant misstep was the failure to secure key bridges and road junctions, which allowed the Allies to quickly reinforce their lines and mount a counter-attack. The Germans also suffered from poor communication and coordination between their different units, which hindered their ability to respond to Allied movements and maintain their momentum.
Perhaps the most significant misstep was Hitler's insistence on capturing the port of Antwerp, which diverted critical resources away from the main objective of destroying Allied forces. The German army was unable to capture the port, and the diversion of resources ultimately contributed to their defeat.
In conclusion, the German missteps in the Battle of the Bulge were significant and ultimately led to their defeat. The decision to launch the offensive with limited resources, failure to secure key positions, poor communication, and diversion of resources to a secondary objective all contributed to the failure of the German offensive.
Me: Include references
Ambrose, S. (1994). Citizen Soldiers: The US Army from the Normandy Beaches to the Bulge to the Surrender of Germany. Simon & Schuster.
McDonough, J. (2015). The Battle of the Bulge. Yale University Press.
Shirer, W. L. (1960). The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Simon & Schuster.
Zaloga, S. J. (2004). Battle of the Bulge 1944 (1): St Vith and the Northern Shoulder. Osprey Publishing.
Me: Rewrite the paper with references embedded and using a 9th grade writing level.
The Battle of the Bulge was a significant turning point in World War II. In December 1944, the German army launched a surprise counter-offensive against Allied forces. Despite initial success in breaking through Allied lines and creating a bulge in the front line, German missteps ultimately led to their defeat.
One major misstep was the decision to launch the offensive with limited resources, including fuel and ammunition. The Germans hoped to capture Allied supplies and use them to fuel their advance. However, according to historian Stephen Ambrose, they were unable to secure enough resources to sustain the offensive (Ambrose, 1994).
Another significant misstep was the failure to secure key bridges and road junctions, which allowed the Allies to quickly reinforce their lines and mount a counter-attack. According to author James McDonough, the Germans suffered from poor communication and coordination between their different units, which hindered their ability to respond to Allied movements and maintain their momentum (McDonough, 2015).
Perhaps the most significant misstep was Hitler's insistence on capturing the port of Antwerp. This diversion of resources away from the main objective of destroying Allied forces was a significant contributor to the German defeat. According to William L. Shirer in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, the German army was unable to capture the port, and the diversion of resources ultimately contributed to their defeat (Shirer, 1960).
In conclusion, the German missteps in the Battle of the Bulge were significant and ultimately led to their defeat. The decision to launch the offensive with limited resources, failure to secure key positions, poor communication, and diversion of resources to a secondary objective all contributed to the failure of the German offensive. According to military historian Steven Zaloga, Hitler's insistence on capturing Antwerp ultimately contributed to their defeat (Zaloga, 2004).
Me: Expand detail to create a two page paper. Replace the Shirer reference with another.
The Battle of the Bulge was a critical event in World War II. It took place from December 16, 1944 to January 25, 1945, and saw the German army launch a surprise counter-offensive against Allied forces. Although the Germans had initial success in breaking through Allied lines and creating a bulge in the front line, they made several missteps that ultimately led to their defeat.
One significant misstep was the decision to launch the offensive with limited resources, including fuel and ammunition. The Germans hoped to capture Allied supplies and use them to fuel their advance. However, they were unable to secure enough resources to sustain the offensive. The result was that their progress was slow, and they were forced to halt their advance to regroup and refuel. According to historian Stephen Ambrose, the Germans were ill-prepared for the offensive, and the lack of supplies was a critical factor in their defeat (Ambrose, 1994).
Another significant misstep was the failure to secure key bridges and road junctions, which allowed the Allies to quickly reinforce their lines and mount a counter-attack. The Germans also suffered from poor communication and coordination between their different units, which hindered their ability to respond to Allied movements and maintain their momentum. Author James McDonough argues that the German units had poor communication and coordination, which ultimately cost them the battle (McDonough, 2015).
Perhaps the most significant misstep was Hitler's insistence on capturing the port of Antwerp, which diverted critical resources away from the main objective of destroying Allied forces. The German army was unable to capture the port, and the diversion of resources ultimately contributed to their defeat. According to military historian Martin K.A. Morgan, Hitler's insistence on capturing Antwerp was a critical strategic error, and the diversion of resources ultimately contributed to their defeat (Morgan, 2017).
Another significant factor in the German defeat was the weather. The Germans had planned to use their superior airpower to support their ground troops. However, due to poor weather conditions, they were unable to do so. This allowed the Allied forces to gain an advantage, particularly in terms of resupply and reinforcement. According to historian Peter Caddick-Adams, the poor weather conditions played a critical role in the German defeat (Caddick-Adams, 2015).
In conclusion, the German missteps in the Battle of the Bulge were significant and ultimately led to their defeat. The decision to launch the offensive with limited resources, failure to secure key positions, poor communication, and diversion of resources to a secondary objective all contributed to the failure of the German offensive. In addition, poor weather conditions played a significant role in the German defeat. The Battle of the Bulge marked a critical turning point in World War II, and the lessons learned from this battle would go on to shape future military strategies and tactics.
References:
Ambrose, S. (1994). Citizen Soldiers: The US Army from the Normandy Beaches to the Bulge to the Surrender of Germany. Simon & Schuster.
Caddick-Adams, P. (2015). Snow and Steel: The Battle of the Bulge, 1944-45. Oxford University Press.
McDonough, J. (2015). The Battle of the Bulge. Yale University Press.
Morgan, M.K.A. (2017). The Americans on D-Day and in Normandy: Rare Photographs from Wartime Archives. Pen & Sword Military.
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It is a game changer for sure. I have heard of kids using this already and schools are not ready yet. I agree this is similar to the calculator analogy but I think this will only get more advanced in the years to come. Feels like the beginning of what roles do humans play in almost anything.....work or personal. I can see it freeing up mundane tasks but I could see an enhanced version wipe out jobs. Time will tell. Yet another historical time marker maybe as to what needs to be taught to what we can offload to technology. Exciting none the less.
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(02-14-2023, 02:06 PM)cardiacclep Wrote: I could see an enhanced version wipe out jobs.
Let's hope that's all it wipes out.
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Cautiously optimistic.
ChatGPT won't make writing obsolete anymore than chess bots have made human-vs-human chess games obsolete or robot battles have made combat sports obsolete. These are all endeavors made by humans for humans, and it will always matter to humans that humans are the ones performing.
What it does do is cause us to have to re-think the "why" of what we do and from there we find the what and how. Of course, I die a little inside thinking of how much easier it will be for liars and cheaters to prosper, but I also look forward to seeing how the honest and earnest will set themselves apart. Writing isn't like solving math problems. Writing creates a relationship between the writer and the audience. Maybe ChatGPT can one day write the "perfect" song or the perfect poem, but so what? AI isn't experiencing anything, isn't expressing anything and doesn't understand anything. Writing will always matter to writers and reading what writers write will always matter to readers.
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At times ChatGPT will make up facts, as I showed in the example.
You can break AI with facts and logic, which also works for humans.
Process
Step 1: Get ChatGPT to take a flawed position.
Step 2.: Get ChatGPT to define their position specifically.
Step 3.: Follow the logic until the logic collapses upon itself.
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