University of Mary Dual MBA/MA in Philosophy, 36 cr Total

[Jonathan Whatley]

University of Mary, a Benedictine Roman Catholic university in Bismarck, ND, offers an online or evening dual Master of Business Administration plus Master of Arts in Philosophy. The MBA is IACBE, from University of Mary’s Gary Tharaldson School of Business. The MBA is general, non-specialization.

Tuition is 580 per semester credit and the total program is 36 credits for a total tuition of $20,880.

The courses, each required, each 3 semester credits except HUM 799 which is 0 credits, are

• BUS 505 - Human Resource Management
  
• BUS 510 - Leadership & Management Theory
  
• BUS 555 - Managerial Finance
  
• BUS 571 - Executive Economic Analysis
  
• BUS 605 - Managerial Accounting
  
• BUS 636 - Mission Advancement Principles & Practice
  
• BUS 680 - Business and Catholic Social Teaching
  
• PHI 501 - Reading, Writing, & Argumentation
  
• PHI 550 - Philosophy of Happiness
  
• PHI 572 - Ethics
  
• PHI 620 - History of Ethical Thought
  
• PHI 640 - History of Political Thought
  
• HUM 799 - Graduate Studies Assessment
  

Program page in the 2023-24 catalog
Program page on online.umary.edu

[sanantone]

This is more like one interdisciplinary degree than two degrees. LOL. I guess schools can get away with almost anything now.

[IHatePickingUsernames]

This is more like one interdisciplinary degree than two degrees. LOL. I guess schools can get away with almost anything now.

I agree with both of your points. I have an academic background in computer science and it irritates me so much when I see colleges and universities trying to pass information technology and computer information systems degrees off as computer science degrees to unsuspecting people. 

There is nothing wrong with information technology or computer information systems degrees. Not everyone can handle, or wants to handle, all the higher-level computing and mathematics that are a part of the computer science curriculum, and that's totally okay. But, the way some of these schools gaslight people into thinking they're getting a CS degree is unethical IMHO.

[bjcheung77]

I wonder if there are other degrees similar to this or if there is an option to mix/match degrees from two universities to get something similar... Hmm, HAU MBA + Kairos University Masters of your choice and finish both in two years. Probably cost half the price at $10K if you finish in that time and have the HAU $3K MBA still being offered at that price...

[MFG]

I wonder if there are other degrees similar to this or if there is an option to mix/match degrees from two universities to get something similar... Hmm, HAU MBA + Kairos University Masters of your choice and finish both in two years.  Probably cost half the price at $10K if you finish in that time and have the HAU $3K MBA still being offered at that price...

RE: HAU MBA + Kairos University

What universities are those?
Thanks.

[bjcheung77]

@MFG, Hellenic American University and Kairos University: Do a search, there are several posts and threads...

[MFG]

I wonder if there are other degrees similar to this or if there is an option to mix/match degrees from two universities to get something similar... Hmm, HAU MBA + Kairos University Masters of your choice and finish both in two years.  Probably cost half the price at $10K if you finish in that time and have the HAU $3K MBA still being offered at that price...

My thoughts as well, bjcheung77.

As I've found in my career, deeper skills in Philosophy and Business are a powerful combination.

See the upcoming Master's in Liberal Arts (Philosophy) program at Fort Hays State University (FHSU) :
 https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...phy-Online 
Total costs may be about USD $10,000

Also: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid411948 So HAU  have reinstituted the USD $3000 MBA for now.

Also, Western Governors (WGU) has a more rapid completing MBA (or other Management Master's) if one thinks that one can do all in one term for under USD $5000 per term. 

This is possible, it seems, because evaluation is focused in most courses on:
>1-3 papers and/or 
>1-2 comprehensive tests. 
So if one already knows the material, it's like testing out.
For example, re WGU see for a course-by-course how-to: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/WGU_MBA/comment...eleration/

The advantage of University of Mary (UoM) is fewer total courses and a cohort system. 
Given that many Master's in Arts/Sciences or MLS programs encourage 4-5 out-of-field courses, 18 credits in-field and 12-18 out is not unusual in the USA. 
The MLS in Philosophy link above is an example.
So UoM has thought this through. 18 CRH with another 18 out-of-field works academically.

I note that the UoM Business courses are on core 'harder' and 'mathy' topics one sees in a typical MBA, and the social topics in a Business Master's/MBA are covered in the Philosophy courses. 
Note also BUS 680 - Business and Catholic Social Teaching is basically a Philosophy course.
Also, I've verified it is ONE UoM diploma stating both MBA and MA Philosophy, not two discrete diplomas.

So it's less money with e.g. WGU + FHSU BUT 67 CRH at  around USD $13,000-15,000, 
OR USD $20,000 at UoM but 36 CRH (half the work).

It's a tough choice...I'm looking for more data myself.

FHSU and WGU or the Hellenic program are attractive. They're completely online. 
UoM has an on-campus Summer intensive, and also has accreditation of its business program.
Plus 2500 years of in-house Catholic and pre-Catholic pezzonovante philosophers.

Plus given their music program, possibly singing nuns. Can't forget the nuns.

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[NotJoeBiden]

What is the intent of the dual degree? Philosophy businesses? Most people dont get more than one masters, and if they get one with an MBA it is typically in something more commercializable like engineering or computer science.


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[Ghostwill]

What is the intent of the dual degree? Philosophy businesses? Most people dont get more than one masters, and if they get one with an MBA it is typically in something more commercializable like engineering or computer science.


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I think the intent of the dual degree in philosophy and MBA is to combine the analytical and critical thinking skills of philosophy with the practical and managerial skills of business. Though I am not sure who's going to get it.

[Duneranger]

What is the intent of the dual degree? Philosophy businesses? Most people dont get more than one masters, and if they get one with an MBA it is typically in something more commercializable like engineering or computer science.


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I think the intent of the dual degree in philosophy and MBA is to combine the analytical and critical thinking skills of philosophy with the practical and managerial skills of business. Though I am not sure who's going to get it.

I’m sure people will be interested, I’ve seen all sort of random degree paths suggested here that people do.