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Should you need a vaccination card in order to vote?
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(08-02-2021, 03:37 AM)LevelUP Wrote: Should you need a vaccination card in order to vote? No. Because not everyone can get it. This would exclude people who for no fault of their own can't be vaccinated.
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One has nothing to do with the other.
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Why would you? I voted last year, we social distanced (and masked).
Considering how many Black and Hispanic people won't get vaccinations, who is going to propose that rule? The Republicans wouldn't anyway, and Dems know that would look racist.
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People have the right to vote and they have the right to refuse medical treatment. Eliminating either one of these would create far more problems than it would solve. But how about this...since we know that the vaccine eliminates costly medical treatment for people who become infected with covid, and since the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, why should the insurance company pay for someone's medical treatment if they refuse the vaccine and then become infected. It's a preventable illness and so what if the insurance companies refused to pay? People would still get the treatment, they'd just have to pay for it themselves. Can you imagine that happening? It's simply the logical consequence of their own behavior.
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(08-03-2021, 01:34 PM)Alpha Wrote: People have the right to vote and they have the right to refuse medical treatment. Eliminating either one of these would create far more problems than it would solve. But how about this...since we know that the vaccine eliminates costly medical treatment for people who become infected with covid, and since the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, why should the insurance company pay for someone's medical treatment if they refuse the vaccine and then become infected. It's a preventable illness and so what if the insurance companies refused to pay? People would still get the treatment, they'd just have to pay for it themselves. Can you imagine that happening? It's simply the logical consequence of their own behavior.
I know several people who have become DEATHLY ill after taking the vaccine. So shouldn't the reverse be true? If you take a non-FDA approved vaccine and then become sick, shouldn't they refuse to pay for your medical treatment? I mean, you took a risky unapproved vaccine that hasn't been out for long, and the illness it was totally preventable - all you had to do was refuse this experiment, and yet you took it anyway.
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(08-03-2021, 01:34 PM)Alpha Wrote: People have the right to vote and they have the right to refuse medical treatment. Eliminating either one of these would create far more problems than it would solve. But how about this...since we know that the vaccine eliminates costly medical treatment for people who become infected with covid, and since the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, why should the insurance company pay for someone's medical treatment if they refuse the vaccine and then become infected. It's a preventable illness and so what if the insurance companies refused to pay? People would still get the treatment, they'd just have to pay for it themselves. Can you imagine that happening? It's simply the logical consequence of their own behavior.
One of my friends now has 2 heart conditions from the first dose of the vaccine. She's been battling these 2 conditions now for months and is having new complications every week.
In my county there were 8 positive cases on Monday. 2 of them were fully vaccinated. One of the vaccinated cases is symptomatic.
What about those who have illnesses or auto immune diseases? There have not been trials done on many diseases to see how the vaccine will impact those folks.
It's hardly as cut and dry as you make you it appear.
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(08-03-2021, 02:16 PM)ss20ts Wrote: (08-03-2021, 01:34 PM)Alpha Wrote: People have the right to vote and they have the right to refuse medical treatment. Eliminating either one of these would create far more problems than it would solve. But how about this...since we know that the vaccine eliminates costly medical treatment for people who become infected with covid, and since the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, why should the insurance company pay for someone's medical treatment if they refuse the vaccine and then become infected. It's a preventable illness and so what if the insurance companies refused to pay? People would still get the treatment, they'd just have to pay for it themselves. Can you imagine that happening? It's simply the logical consequence of their own behavior.
One of my friends now has 2 heart conditions from the first dose of the vaccine. She's been battling these 2 conditions now for months and is having new complications every week.
In my county there were 8 positive cases on Monday. 2 of them were fully vaccinated. One of the vaccinated cases is symptomatic.
What about those who have illnesses or auto immune diseases? There have not been trials done on many diseases to see how
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It's hardly as cut and dry as you make you it appear.
I'm not "making it appear" like anything. I simply asked a hypothetical question in response to another hypothetical question. Clearly in such a scenario there would be exceptions, pre-existing conditions, etc. You could ask the same question in regards to smoking, for example. Everyone knows it's unhealthy to smoke. Why should my insurance premium go up simply because someone else won't quit. The op asked a hypothetical question and yet you didn't object to that. Why so sensitive when it comes to money?
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So, continuing with the hypotheticals, we could easily say that, hypothetically, the individual would only need a letter from their doctor saying they were exempt from the vaccine. Others who have no such pre-existing conditions can pay. How's that?
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(08-03-2021, 03:44 PM)Alpha Wrote: (08-03-2021, 02:16 PM)ss20ts Wrote: (08-03-2021, 01:34 PM)Alpha Wrote: People have the right to vote and they have the right to refuse medical treatment. Eliminating either one of these would create far more problems than it would solve. But how about this...since we know that the vaccine eliminates costly medical treatment for people who become infected with covid, and since the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, why should the insurance company pay for someone's medical treatment if they refuse the vaccine and then become infected. It's a preventable illness and so what if the insurance companies refused to pay? People would still get the treatment, they'd just have to pay for it themselves. Can you imagine that happening? It's simply the logical consequence of their own behavior.
One of my friends now has 2 heart conditions from the first dose of the vaccine. She's been battling these 2 conditions now for months and is having new complications every week.
In my county there were 8 positive cases on Monday. 2 of them were fully vaccinated. One of the vaccinated cases is symptomatic.
What about those who have illnesses or auto immune diseases? There have not been trials done on many diseases to see how
[quote pid='343454' dateline='1628018170']
It's hardly as cut and dry as you make you it appear.
I'm not "making it appear" like anything. I simply asked a hypothetical question in response to another hypothetical question. Clearly in such a scenario there would be exceptions, pre-existing conditions, etc. You could ask the same question in regards to smoking, for example. Everyone knows it's unhealthy to smoke. Why should my insurance premium go up simply because someone else won't quit. The op asked a hypothetical question and yet you didn't object to that. Why so sensitive when it comes to money?
So, continuing with the hypotheticals, we could easily say that, hypothetically, the individual would only need a letter from their doctor saying they were exempt from the vaccine. Others who have no such pre-existing conditions can pay. How's that?
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So I notice you didn't respond to me or ss20ts' statements about getting sick from the vaccine. Interesting.
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(08-03-2021, 04:32 PM)dfrecore Wrote: (08-03-2021, 03:44 PM)Alpha Wrote: (08-03-2021, 02:16 PM)ss20ts Wrote: (08-03-2021, 01:34 PM)Alpha Wrote: People have the right to vote and they have the right to refuse medical treatment. Eliminating either one of these would create far more problems than it would solve. But how about this...since we know that the vaccine eliminates costly medical treatment for people who become infected with covid, and since the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, why should the insurance company pay for someone's medical treatment if they refuse the vaccine and then become infected. It's a preventable illness and so what if the insurance companies refused to pay? People would still get the treatment, they'd just have to pay for it themselves. Can you imagine that happening? It's simply the logical consequence of their own behavior.
One of my friends now has 2 heart conditions from the first dose of the vaccine. She's been battling these 2 conditions now for months and is having new complications every week.
In my county there were 8 positive cases on Monday. 2 of them were fully vaccinated. One of the vaccinated cases is symptomatic.
What about those who have illnesses or auto immune diseases? There have not been trials done on many diseases to see how
[quote pid='343454' dateline='1628018170']
It's hardly as cut and dry as you make you it appear.
I'm not "making it appear" like anything. I simply asked a hypothetical question in response to another hypothetical question. Clearly in such a scenario there would be exceptions, pre-existing conditions, etc. You could ask the same question in regards to smoking, for example. Everyone knows it's unhealthy to smoke. Why should my insurance premium go up simply because someone else won't quit. The op asked a hypothetical question and yet you didn't object to that. Why so sensitive when it comes to money?
So, continuing with the hypotheticals, we could easily say that, hypothetically, the individual would only need a letter from their doctor saying they were exempt from the vaccine. Others who have no such pre-existing conditions can pay. How's that?
So I notice you didn't respond to me or ss20ts' statements about getting sick from the vaccine. Interesting.
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What do you find interesting about it? Some people have allegedly gotten sick from the vaccine. What's your point?
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