Should You Be Required to Show a COVID Vaccination Card In Order to Vote?

[LevelUP]

Why would you?  I voted last year, we social distanced (and masked).

Considering how many Black and Hispanic people won't get vaccinations, who is going to propose that rule? The Republicans wouldn't anyway, and Dems know that would look racist.

Ya, it does seem racist to require a vaccine card.

So if you don't have a vaccine card, you can't eat at a restaurant, go to a gym, or any indoor entertainment center in NYC starting September 13th.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/business/...index.html

[Vle045]

Why would you?  I voted last year, we social distanced (and masked).

Considering how many Black and Hispanic people won't get vaccinations, who is going to propose that rule? The Republicans wouldn't anyway, and Dems know that would look racist.

Ya, it does seem racist to require a vaccine card.

So if you don't have a vaccine card, you can't eat at a restaurant, go to a gym, or any indoor entertainment center in NYC starting September 13th.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/business/...index.html

Wow…. it seems extreme on the surface, but considering how bad things got in NYC before, it’s kind of understandable.  I frequently wonder if swift and drastic action had been taken early on - would it have made any difference?   And by that I mean something along the lines of a total lockdown for a few weeks.    Logistically, I don’t know how that would have looked.  But if we could have completely stopped the spread, would that have made a difference?

[dfrecore]

Why would you?  I voted last year, we social distanced (and masked).

Considering how many Black and Hispanic people won't get vaccinations, who is going to propose that rule? The Republicans wouldn't anyway, and Dems know that would look racist.

Ya, it does seem racist to require a vaccine card.

So if you don't have a vaccine card, you can't eat at a restaurant, go to a gym, or any indoor entertainment center in NYC starting September 13th.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/business/...index.html

Considering that vaccinated people are getting it and passing it along, I don't get why we're even having this discussion.

As for getting a card, there will just be a fake one you can get to get around these issues.

[ss20ts]

Wow…. it seems extreme on the surface, but considering how bad things got in NYC before, it’s kind of understandable.  I frequently wonder if swift and drastic action had been taken early on - would it have made any difference?   And by that I mean something along the lines of a total lockdown for a few weeks.    Logistically, I don’t know how that would have looked.  But if we could have completely stopped the spread, would that have made a difference?

NYC has been shutdown most of this time since March 2020. Restaurants were closed completely including no takeout for most of the pandemic. Same with gyms and theaters and practically everything else. They can't have a total lockdown because people need to get groceries at the bare minimum. But pretty much everything that is nonessential was closed for many many months. There's no way to completely stop the spread of anything in NYC. NYC is a city of over 8 million people crammed into an area around 300 miles. People live on top of each other there. There's no way to stay away from people.

[sanantone]

The answer is simple. It would violate voting rights laws.

[MNomadic]

There's no way to stay away from people.

[Alpha]

Why would you?  I voted last year, we social distanced (and masked).

Considering how many Black and Hispanic people won't get vaccinations, who is going to propose that rule? The Republicans wouldn't anyway, and Dems know that would look racist.

Ya, it does seem racist to require a vaccine card.

So if you don't have a vaccine card, you can't eat at a restaurant, go to a gym, or any indoor entertainment center in NYC starting September 13th.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/business/...index.html

Considering that vaccinated people are getting it and passing it along, I don't get why we're even having this discussion.

As for getting a card, there will just be a fake one you can get to get around these issues.

It seems like there's at least three things going on in this post.  I'll take the second one first.  I think we're having this discussion because it's a discussion board and, more specifically, the Off-Topics forum of a discussion board and all sorts of things get posted for discussion.  If you find it bothersome then there's no need to involve yourself.  Secondly, vaccinated people are, in fact,  getting mild cases of the Delta variant .  The reason it's mild for them is because they are vaccinated.  They are, in fact, passing it on but if you're vaccinated you will only get a mild case.  Non-vaccinated people carry a much higher risk.  Vaccination is the mitigation of that risk.  As for requiring people to show their vaccination card, well it's an idea that's coming into use everywhere.  Universities are requiring people be vaccinated.  Many employers are now requiring their workers to be vaccinated.  This generally requires the individual show proof of vaccination - that means, show your card.  Some people might produce fake ones.  After all, people can get all sorts of fake identification cards such as driver's licenses,  but we still require people to have real drivers licenses because the vast majority of people will follow the law (for a variety of reasons).

[LevelUP]

It seems like there's at least three things going on in this post.  I'll take the second one first.  I think we're having this discussion because it's a discussion board and, more specifically, the Off-Topics forum of a discussion board and all sorts of things get posted for discussion.  If you find it bothersome then there's no need to involve yourself.  Secondly, vaccinated people are, in fact,  getting mild cases of the Delta variant .  The reason it's mild for them is because they are vaccinated.  They are, in fact, passing it on but if you're vaccinated you will only get a mild case.  Non-vaccinated people carry a much higher risk.  Vaccination is the mitigation of that risk.  As for requiring people to show their vaccination card, well it's an idea that's coming into use everywhere.  Universities are requiring people be vaccinated.  Many employers are now requiring their workers to be vaccinated.  This generally requires the individual show proof of vaccination - that means, show your card.  Some people might produce fake ones.  After all, people can get all sorts of fake identification cards such as driver's licenses,  but we still require people to have real drivers licenses because the vast majority of people will follow the law (for a variety of reasons).

According to a study by the Cleveland Clinic, at least one of the problems of requiring a vaccine card is that the government is ignoring the science of covid natural immunity once you have been infected. So they don't need a vaccine. 
https://www.news-medical.net/news/202106...study.aspx

I don't think these mandates will make much difference. However, I do find it a shame that our nurses and doctors were our heroes in 2020, and now we are forcing fascism on them by making them take the vaccine or lose their job.

[Flelm]

I don't think these mandates will make much difference. However, I do find it a shame that our nurses and doctors were our heroes in 2020, and now we are forcing fascism on them by making them take the vaccine or lose their job.

Fascism is inherently a political/governmental stance. How is it fascist for a private company to require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment? Would it be fascist if a company said you must remain unvaccinated or you will be fired? What about a company that has social media policies, i.e., you're not allowed to post on social media about the company or your workplace? What about a company that has a dress code that prohibits facial piercings? What about a company that requires full-sleeve tattoos?

[Vle045]

It seems like there's at least three things going on in this post.  I'll take the second one first.  I think we're having this discussion because it's a discussion board and, more specifically, the Off-Topics forum of a discussion board and all sorts of things get posted for discussion.  If you find it bothersome then there's no need to involve yourself.  Secondly, vaccinated people are, in fact,  getting mild cases of the Delta variant .  The reason it's mild for them is because they are vaccinated.  They are, in fact, passing it on but if you're vaccinated you will only get a mild case.  Non-vaccinated people carry a much higher risk.  Vaccination is the mitigation of that risk.  As for requiring people to show their vaccination card, well it's an idea that's coming into use everywhere.  Universities are requiring people be vaccinated.  Many employers are now requiring their workers to be vaccinated.  This generally requires the individual show proof of vaccination - that means, show your card.  Some people might produce fake ones.  After all, people can get all sorts of fake identification cards such as driver's licenses,  but we still require people to have real drivers licenses because the vast majority of people will follow the law (for a variety of reasons).

According to a study by the Cleveland Clinic, at least one of the problems of requiring a vaccine card is that the government is ignoring the science of covid natural immunity once you have been infected. So they don't need a vaccine. 
https://www.news-medical.net/news/202106...study.aspx

I don't think these mandates will make much difference. However, I do find it a shame that our nurses and doctors were our heroes in 2020, and now we are forcing fascism on them by making them take the vaccine or lose their job.

I am hesitant to trust that link.  We actually GO to the Cleveland Clinic.  This does not seem to be in line with what Cleveland Clinic doctors are actually saying.

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It also says this at the end of the article…
*Important Notice
medRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information.