Seeking advice on Engineering Management, BSE at ASU (ONLINE)

[probablystupid]

Location : Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Degree wanted : Engineering Management BSE (Req for work is ABET certified degree) https://degrees.apps.asu.edu/major-map/A...NLINE/2023
Current credits : 0
High School GED equivalent from state of Pennsylvania
Budget : Employer will pay 40% of the degree, and will self-fund the rest.
Age : 28

Earn your way in path has 24 credits that is done completely online via ASU platform.

ASU does not seem to take Study.com, Sophia or Straighterline. There are several universities listed on the pathway page below (would any of them be taken online cheaper before enrollment to bring in more transfer credits and potentially complete the degree faster.

https://webapp4.asu.edu/transfercreditgu...ransfermap

Questions for ASU online
1) https://catalog.asu.edu/course_load - Can one do more than one term together? particularly if one has the credit for one course already from either earn your way in path (or from other university)
2) Can the courses be done out of order at ASU?

[dfrecore]

Here's what you should do for this SPECIFIC degree from this SPECIFIC school:

1) determine where they'll take credit from, and how much; no ACE/NCCRS, but they will take up to 60cr of CLEP/DSST exams. They will also take up to 64cr of RA credits, including from a CC. This does not mean that they will take 124cr (combined amount); instead, it means they will take up to 64cr total.

2) Make a list of every course you need (there will be around 40 courses)

3) if you're a decent/good test-taker, you'll want to utilize CLEP and then DSST exams first, since those will give you the most bang for your buck. But this is going to be very limited, I guess you'll only be able to bring in a few (maybe US History, Psych or Soc, Microeconomics, a science)

4) CC credits, including Composition I & II, Calc I, II & III, Linear Algebra, Accouning I & II, Physics I w/Lab, Chemistry I & II w/labs, Principles of Programming, Data Structures & OOP)

5) a few courses from ASU Universal Learner: FSE100: Intro to Engineering, CSE110: Intro to Programming if you can't find it elsewhere inexpensively, MAT265: Calc for Engineering if you can't find it inexpensively

6) the rest will need to be taken at ASU, because it's very specific.

I think this degree will take you at least 4 years, just because if you haven't gone through the math sequence yet, you'll have to do that, and many of the science courses won't let you take them until you've taken the appropriate math (if you can't take Physics I w/o having taken Calc I for instance).

If you do this degree at ASU in full, it's $67k - with your company paying $27k and you paying $40k - yikes. You can shave a little off, but that will take some time. I show 44cr via CC for whatever that will cost (surely less than $561/cr) and 15cr of CLEP for free; and then 2cr from the UL program for $425. And finally, 59cr from ASU for $33k.

[allvia]

Is your true goal this degree, or is it that you need a (any) 'ABET certified bachelor degree'?

[rachel83az]

If "any" ABET degree will do, I think TESU's Electronic Systems Engineering Technology degree might have been previously mentioned? It would be at least marginally faster/cheaper than ASU. https://tesu.smartcatalogiq.com/current/...echnology/

46 credits of gen eds, 11? credits of AOS, and 9 credits of free electives can be ACE. Physics I & II (8 credits total) can be done at a CC. CMP-354 can possibly be done as a TECEP exam (the exam is difficult, the class is reported to be easier). That would leave 43 (or fewer) credits that would need to be completed directly from TESU. 43 credits x $519/cr = about $22k.

[natshar]

ASU takes CLEP and DSST. They have an equivalency chart here: https://catalog.asu.edu/credit_exam

They accept 60 credits by exam so you could easily do your gen eds this way at least.

Additionally idk if it is in your cards. But if you work 20hrs a week at Starbucks after 90 days you get 100% tuition covered at ASU online.

There is also ASU universal learner which you could do. Some of these courses are self-paced and it only costs $425 so that is a big cost savings and time savings. And this is real ASU credit so no limit on it. https://ea.asu.edu/courses/

So essentially between ASU EA, CLEP, DSST, etc. you could easily cut at least a third or half or this degree in terms of time and money.

[bjcheung77]

Is your true goal this degree, or is it that you need a (any) 'ABET certified bachelor degree'?

OP - First off, this is what you want to do, verify if the ABET degree is the one you need - find the degree/goal. I'm still a bit confused, as your first thread was in regards to the Pierpont BOG AAS. You then posted in my ECPI ABET thread for your nephew. Is this degree for you, your nephew, or someone else?

ASU takes CLEP and DSST. They have an equivalency chart here: https://catalog.asu.edu/credit_exam

They accept 60 credits by exam so you could easily do your gen eds this way at least.

Additionally idk if it is in your cards. But if you work 20hrs a week at Starbucks after 90 days you get 100% tuition covered at ASU online.

There is also ASU universal learner which you could do. Some of these courses are self-paced and it only costs $425 so that is a big cost savings and time savings. And this is real ASU credit so no limit on it. https://ea.asu.edu/courses/

So essentially between ASU EA, CLEP, DSST, etc. you could easily cut at least a third or half or this degree in terms of time and money.

OP, if this is your goal and this is exactly the degree you need, as mentioned here, you can get the 50% or so of the degree done with CLEP/DSST, I would also check with them if they have any challenge exams (hopefully they do something similar to AP exams) and alternative credit such as PLA, correspond with them further and report back.

[natshar]

Do via ASU Universal Learner: (only $425 each and possible self-paced option for some)
ENG 101
ENG 102
MAT 265
CSE 110
CHEM 114
FSE 100
Global Engineering req (Habitable Worlds at on EA)
ACC 231

Do the Following via CLEP OR ASU EA:
ECN 212
PSY 101
AND
Cultural Diversity course
Global Awareness course
Math or Sci elective

Take at Community College (for cheaper) OR Wescott (cheaper and faster)
Check before taking to make sure it transfers correctly:
Calc II
Calc III
Linear Algebra
https://westcottcourses.com/courses/

Take at CC (for cheaper and maybe faster)
ACC 241 (accounting II at CC double check to make sure it transfers)
PHY 121 and PHY 122 (Physics for Engineering with lab. again check make sure it transfers)
possibly both of these at: https://is.byu.edu/catalog?school=18 instead of CC

Industry Focused Electives. Courses that meet this you can probably find via CC or Cheap RA:
maybe BYU, wescott, etc.
Diff EQ (aka calc iv)
Physics II


So that is 20 courses you could cut out by not paying the full rate. Basically half your degree! And by doing CC, self-paced, accelerated options you could save time as well as money.

Maybe someone can turn my suggestions into an actual degree plan. idk.

Also who knows maybe the Computer Network TECEP MIGHT count for something. idk.
And possible data structures/object orientated prog for cheap somewhere again idk.
And you MIGHT be able to find UL MGMT 300 somewhere for cheap. idk.

[LevelUP]

The best colleges to transfer into ASU would be ones in the Maricopa Community College network, such as Mesa, as they have articulation agreements.

Courses there are $723 per course online.  
https://www.mesacc.edu/cashier-services/tuition-rates

[IReallyNeedADegree]

Location : Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Degree wanted : Engineering Management BSE (Req for work is ABET certified degree) https://degrees.apps.asu.edu/major-map/A...NLINE/2023
Current credits : 0
High School GED equivalent from state of Pennsylvania
Budget : Employer will pay 40% of the degree, and will self-fund the rest.
Age : 28

Earn your way in path has 24 credits that is done completely online via ASU platform.

ASU does not seem to take Study.com, Sophia or Straighterline. There are several universities listed on the pathway page below (would any of them be taken online cheaper before enrollment to bring in more transfer credits and potentially complete the degree faster.

https://webapp4.asu.edu/transfercreditgu...ransfermap

Questions for ASU online
1) https://catalog.asu.edu/course_load - Can one do more than one term together? particularly if one has the credit for one course already from either earn your way in path (or from other university)
2) Can the courses be done out of order at ASU?

I don't know if it is ABET certified but University of Colorado at Boulder offers a MSE in Engineering Management on coursera which has earned admissions and you don't even have to have a Bachelors.

[probablystupid]

Is your true goal this degree, or is it that you need a (any) 'ABET certified bachelor degree'?

OP - First off, this is what you want to do, verify if the ABET degree is the one you need - find the degree/goal.  I'm still a bit confused, as your first thread was in regards to the Pierpont BOG AAS.  You then posted in my ECPI ABET thread for your nephew.  Is this degree for you, your nephew, or someone else?

ASU takes CLEP and DSST. They have an equivalency chart here: https://catalog.asu.edu/credit_exam

They accept 60 credits by exam so you could easily do your gen eds this way at least.

Additionally idk if it is in your cards. But if you work 20hrs a week at Starbucks after 90 days you get 100% tuition covered at ASU online.

There is also ASU universal learner which you could do. Some of these courses are self-paced and it only costs $425 so that is a big cost savings and time savings. And this is real ASU credit so no limit on it. https://ea.asu.edu/courses/

So essentially between ASU EA, CLEP, DSST, etc. you could easily cut at least a third or half or this degree in terms of time and money.

OP, if this is your goal and this is exactly the degree you need, as mentioned here, you can get the 50% or so of the degree done with CLEP/DSST, I would also check with them if they have any challenge exams (hopefully they do something similar to AP exams) and alternative credit such as PLA, correspond with them further and report back.

Apologies for the confusion. Pierpont BOG AAS was for me, I've sent in all the transcripts and have been just waiting for them to get back to me. I'm also starting WGUIT from next month transferred in 71 credits (I have sent in a dispute for UX design, if they accept it I'd transfer in 75). Mechanical & Engineering management are both for my nephew. He has decided ASU (since I suggested as I liked the interface after doing the RA course here for BOG) and is looking at engineering management (or mechanical) however the former does seem to have more possibility of outside courses transferring in and because of his employer ABET needs for growth. I've suggested CLEP & ASU learner program that will take care of around 30 credit hours. There area also couple of courses from university of phoenix that transfer in for courses which arent on clep or asu learning platform (https://webapp4.asu.edu/transfercreditgu...ransfermap is what I used)