If you plan on doing Calculus 3 and Linear Algebra you will know plenty of math for the degree.
From the programmers I know, most of them maxed out at Calculus 2, and some maxed out at Calculus 1. Since you already have Calculus 2, you should be fine there.
From what I've been told, Linear Algebra does not come in handy in most Computer Science courses. It is particularly useful in Matrix Math, which makes it crucial to video game design classes(I don't believe TESC has any O.o).
I would suggest going for Discrete Math, from what I've been told, it has concepts that are much harder to learn on your own, while Linear Algebra is possible to learn on your own.(If you don't decide to take Discrete Math, here is a link to a course taught at Carnegie Mellon if you are ever interested Computational Discrete Mathematics | Open Learning Initiative )
This is all information I have been told from my colleagues(I'm a programming intern at a robotics company, I plan to start my Computer Science courses in March with TESC.)
That's my opinion on the math classes you would need for the TESC degree. That said, the more math you learn, the larger a toolset you will have to choose from when programming. Many programmers I know never stop learning, they keep looking up more math on their own time, and it can come in handy with their code.
I'm a 19 year old, Software Engineer, who is enrolled at TESC for a B.A. in Computer Science. My bachelors coursework is completed and I am waiting for graduation to roll around. Will start pursuing ALM in Information Technology with a concentration in Software Engineering from Harvard Extension School sometime in the coming year.
01-28-2014, 12:16 AM (This post was last modified: 01-28-2014, 06:36 AM by Jonathan Whatley.)
Lindagerr Wrote:You need: […]
A: Concentration (24) (In Progress)
Semester Hours Completed: 14.00 Required: 24 Remaining: 10
__________________________________________________ ___________________ 3 credits-- can be 200 level could switch Anat & Phys. I to here and add 3 new free electives
[I originally wrote:] I don't think so, as TESC counts Anatomy & Physiology as 100-level here. [Edited to add: I was probably mistaken on that; see Lindagerr below.] The OP is maxed out on 100-level credit within the NS/M concentration already:
Wow. You guys rock! I'm so happy for all the support and feedback!
Lindagerr Wrote:You don't need to take the ALEKS courses you need the capstone and 7 more upper level credits. The ALEKS courses will not fill those upper levels. I might be wrong with these new requirements it is a little different , but
You need:
Responsible Ethical Leadership (Not Started)
__________________________________________________ ___________________ 3 credits
Liberal Arts Capstone (3 SH)
Src Course # Title S.H. Grd TESC # Notes
___ LIB-495___ _________________________ ______________________ 1 course needed
A: Concentration (24) (In Progress)
Semester Hours Completed: 14.00 Required: 24 Remaining: 10
__________________________________________________ ___________________ 3 credits-- can be 200 level could switch Anat & Phys. I to here and add 3 new free electives
__________________________________________________ ___________________ 3 credits must be upper level
__________________________________________________ ___________________ 3 credits must be upper level
__________________________________________________ ___________________ 1 credits must be upper level
Some else please correct me if I am wrong
@Lindagerr I totally forgot to mention that I'll be taking SL BUS106 since the equivalency chart https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?...utput=html says it ports in as PHI-384. Is that right everyone? Got that from Straighterline's chart and an advisor at TESC "says" the chart is up to date and current. Fingers crossed. I really hope that class won't be too tough for a first time class with SL....
benjenkinsv95 Wrote:If you plan on doing Calculus 3 and Linear Algebra you will know plenty of math for the degree.
From the programmers I know, most of them maxed out at Calculus 2, and some maxed out at Calculus 1. Since you already have Calculus 2, you should be fine there.
From what I've been told, Linear Algebra does not come in handy in most Computer Science courses. It is particularly useful in Matrix Math, which makes it crucial to video game design classes(I don't believe TESC has any O.o).
I would suggest going for Discrete Math, from what I've been told, it has concepts that are much harder to learn on your own, while Linear Algebra is possible to learn on your own.(If you don't decide to take Discrete Math, here is a link to a course taught at Carnegie Mellon if you are ever interested Computational Discrete Mathematics | Open Learning Initiative )
This is all information I have been told from my colleagues(I'm a programming intern at a robotics company, I plan to start my Computer Science courses in March with TESC.)
That's my opinion on the math classes you would need for the TESC degree. That said, the more math you learn, the larger a toolset you will have to choose from when programming. Many programmers I know never stop learning, they keep looking up more math on their own time, and it can come in handy with their code.
@benjenkinsv95 Thanks a million for the rich and detailed insight on the math needed for this degree I was worried that I would end up having to selling my soul to pass Calculus IV or worse? Is there anything worse than Calculus IV? Lol... At any rate I will need Discrete math for CS so I will look into it as well. Thanks for the link! How did you get started as an intern? Did you already have a lot of languages like Java and C++ under your belt? As a total newb, I've been drifting around wondering what classes were actually essential in the field so any tips are definitely welcome!
Jonathan Whatley Wrote:I don't think so, as TESC counts Anatomy & Physiology as 100-level here. The OP is maxed out on 100-level credit within the NS/M concentration already:
Otherwise, Linda, I think you're entirely correct.
@Jonathan. That's the issue I'm wondering about. I really need to know if I were to take an ALEKS course in math, would it automagically bump one of my 4 credit calculus classes into the concentration area?
In other words, I know I need at least 2 more UL classes for the Math degree but for the third class I might not need to take a 200 level class if they would just move my Calculus up into the concentration area. I was planning to rack up some ALEKS classes to review my way back up to Calculus since I've been out of school for so long and while I'm doing all of that review it would be nice if the 100 level maths would push the 200 level Calculus courses into the area of study. Sorry for the confusion everyone. Having a hard time explaining what I'm wondering.
So here's another attempt to show what I've been trying so hard to explain. What I want to know is if at least one of my ALEKS math review courses will change my current evaluation situation to the 2nd page of this document....
01-28-2014, 01:39 AM (This post was last modified: 01-28-2014, 01:56 AM by Lindagerr.)
[quote=Jonathan Whatley]I don't think so, as TESC counts Anatomy & Physiology as 100-level here. The OP is maxed out on 100-level credit within the NS/M concentration already:
I think the college cypster went to labeled them 100 level but TESC gives them a 200 level that is what they did for me. That way the free elective can be at any level and your Calculus I and II can stay where they are. It still leaves you taking the same amount of courses but gives you more flexibility on what the 3 credits are they could even be free FEMA credits.
This is from my evaluation the weird course #'s on the left were from my CC the TESC course numbers are on the right unless it was a TESC course. BA.Nat.Sci/Math 2005 (33 Sh) > Complete 33 semester hours in the Natural Sciences/ > Mathematics Concentration. At least three different > departments/subjects must be included which provide > for breadth of knowledge in Natural Sciences/Math areas. > A student must earn at least 12 semester hours in ONE > subject. A maximum of 18 semester hours can be earned in > ONE subject area in order to have a balanced inter- > disciplinary concentration. Courses transferred to Thomas > Edison State College are equated to the following levels: > "100", "200"' "300", or "400". A maximum of TWO college- > level courses equated to the "100" level can be applied > toward the area of concentration. GPA Achieved/Needed: 3.063 / 2.000 !! Exception Meets requirement
Semester Hours Completed: 35.00 Src Course # Title S.H. Grd TESC # Notes 3.. BIO111 Human Anat & Phys I...... 4.00 C BIO-211 *CC *TE 3.. BIO112 Hum Ana & Phys II........ 4.00 D BIO-212 *CC *TE 1.. 16104 Gen Chem II.............. 4.00 A CHE-122 *CC *TE 4.. CHEM120 Inorgan, Organic B....... 4.00 A CHE-199 *CC *TE 1.. 16211 Organic Chem I........... 5.00 A CHE-341 *CC *TE 1.. 16212 Organic Chem II.......... 5.00 C CHE-342 *CC *TE 2.. ENS-201... Env. & Hum.: Race Save Pl 3.00 CR ENS-201 *NE 2.. ENS-314... Global Environmental Chan 6.00 A
I was able to squeak in with only 15 upper level credits because I had enrolled before they changed it to 18. I have a total of about 60 math and science credits but I have never taken physics or Calculus sometimes I feel like a fraud other times I just count myself Dam lucky. I don't think I could ever do all those Calc courses.
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As I said before if you take a few courses through ALEKS and have them added to your transcript, they will probably move the calculus courses to your area of study. But if they don't all you have to do is ask them to move them.
If you want to use ALEKS to work your way back up to calculus level you will probably have extra credits left over. If I am reading your transcript correctly you need 10 credits in your area of study, 7 of which need to be upper level(300-400). Only 1 of your calculus courses will actually fit into your AOS, and then you'll need 7UL credits.
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Yeah. I wouldn't want to be doing Calculus IV anytime soon myself if I don't have to. You're welcome for the link, If you are interested in any more computer science courses that are offered for free you should check out this link: Computer Science: Free Courses | Open Culture
I've found almost every course I plan to take at TESC on that list lol.
I got started as an intern because I had a friend who put in a good word for me. I already had a pretty firm foundation in Java(My company programs primarily in Java) so that was a plus. I had also spent the year leading up to the internship going through web languages, making a crappy game site, hosting some proxy's, doing some mySQL stuff with PHP. Just playing around with anything I could get my hands on, you know? I also had some knowledge of C++, but it was limited. I'm currently in the process of teaching myself C++ again in preparation for my Data Structures course(as the course is taught in C++).
As far as what classes are necessary. That depends on what you want to do with your degree. I kind of hope to end up in a software engineering degree or a programmer analyst position. What I would tell you is necessary is based off of talking to my colleagues and my interest in software. If you were wanting to be a web developer or a database administrator, then you would have a very different opinion on what is necessary. And it would also depend on your programming background. If you are already familiar with a class there is little use in taking it.
I'm a 19 year old, Software Engineer, who is enrolled at TESC for a B.A. in Computer Science. My bachelors coursework is completed and I am waiting for graduation to roll around. Will start pursuing ALM in Information Technology with a concentration in Software Engineering from Harvard Extension School sometime in the coming year.
ironheadjack Wrote:As I said before if you take a few courses through ALEKS and have them added to your transcript, they will probably move the calculus courses to your area of study. But if they don't all you have to do is ask them to move them.
If you want to use ALEKS to work your way back up to calculus level you will probably have extra credits left over. If I am reading your transcript correctly you need 10 credits in your area of study, 7 of which need to be upper level(300-400). Only 1 of your calculus courses will actually fit into your AOS, and then you'll need 7UL credits.
That was a really big question of mine you've answered ironheadjack! Must have missed it in your post earlier. I'll be happy if even one of those review classes with ALEKS bumps the Calculus up to the AOS.
And Lindagerr you are spot on! That's the issue I was drifting on... I just wanted the flexibility to take either another 100 level course that would fill the slot for college math since they were using my 200 level Calculus course to fill it instead of using it in my AOS.
You guys absolutely rock in this forum! I really hope I'll be able to get this knocked out soon. Each and every one of you has been a huge help! Thank you a million times!
Lindagerr Wrote:I think the college cypster went to labeled them 100 level but TESC gives them a 200 level that is what they did for me. That way the free elective can be at any level and your Calculus I and II can stay where they are.
This makes sense. I think you're right and I was wrong.
cypster Wrote:@Lindagerr I totally forgot to mention that I'll be taking SL BUS106 since the equivalency chart https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?...utput=html says it ports in as PHI-384. Is that right everyone? Got that from Straighterline's chart and an advisor at TESC "says" the chart is up to date and current. Fingers crossed. I really hope that class won't be too tough for a first time class with SL....
You only need UL credits in the area of study. A philosophy course can't be used in the area of study for the natural science or computer science degree.
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