New DBA on Upgrad by ESGCI

[Harry101]

I finally got response from International Credential Assessment Service of Canada (ICAS) and World Education Services (WES), and i sent it to other evaluators from this list https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-ref...d/how.html

This is what ICAS had to say : ( image of the email https://ibb.co/yh3K5Y8 )
"Thank you for your enquiry

For education completed at a private higher education institution in France, we can provide a meaningful assessment only for a diplôme visé (un diplôme d’école revêtu d'un visa officiel).

We cannot provide any type of meaningful assessment for qualifications listed in the RNCP or for school-issued qualifications (certificats d’école).

Thank you

ICAS Canada"

While this is what WES had to say;

"Dear _My name_ ,

Thank you for your interest in World Education Services (WES).

Our free International Degree Preview Tool ( https://applications.wes.org/ca/degree-e...ency-tool/ ) can provide you with a preview of the equivalency for most degrees awarded by recognized degree-granting institutions worldwide.

Best regards,

WES Customer Service"

I welcome anyone to use the tool from WES database and see it for your self how the results turn up to be. I know i am not surprised by the outcome how they are not covered in the database. I took liberty and uploaded a link with a PDF file for all of the listed institutions in WES library from France; https://docdro.id/zyWDL4L

[Eran]

I spoke with my boss who is originally from Paris and graduated from EDHEC.  She explained to me how accreditation works for business schools.  She says some business schools are considered professional education and not academic education and thus are accredited through a separate system for vocational and professional qualifications.  

I did some googling and here's a great explanation of this parallel professional education system, including how the qualifications work:
https://www.culture.gouv.fr/en/Thematic/...ifications
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/J...0037964754

All professional qualifications are accredited, not through the ministry of higher education, but through France Competences, a government body that accredits each professional qualification and lists them in an official registry called the RNCP (Répertoire national des certifications professionnelles).

For the Grandes Ecoles, some of their diploma / degree programs will be accredited by the Ministry of Higher Education, while others will be through the RNCP.

The way to search for accreditation of professional qualifications is to look at the RNCP codes provided by the school and check whether they are accredited by the RNCP.  

For example, for ESCP's MBA in international management:
https://escp.eu/programmes/MBA-in-intern...management
At the bottom of the webpage it says: "This degree, recognised worldwide, is registered on the RNCP (French Register of Professional Certifications) – RNCP sheet 35570."

For HEC Paris another example:
https://www.hec.edu/en/mba-programs/exec...experience
It says "The HEC Paris MBA and EMBA are accredited to grant a Master’s degree under European Standards and, by extension, are registered on RNCP (Répertoire national des certifications professionnelles)."

Clearly you can see the importance of the RNCP as a way of validating government approval of the qualification.  

You can search qualifications in the RNCP through this website:
https://www.francecompetences.fr/recherc...sionnelle/

In the case of ESGCI, the list the RNCP qualification numbers for each qualification on their website:
https://www.esgci.com/marketing-commerce
It says "Titre de Responsable du Développement Commercial délivré par ESGCV-ESGCI, NSF 312 - Niveau 6. Enregistré au RNCP sous le numéro 36610 par décision du Directeur Général de France Compétences du 01/07/2022"

It basically means to look at RNCP code 36610 to verify this qualification with the government.  All you need to do is go to the francecompetences / RNCP website to verify:
https://www.francecompetences.fr/recherc...sionnelle/

In short, ESGCI is not a higher education institution, it is a professional qualification provider with bachelor/master level qualifications that have been accredited by the RNCP.  The confusion lies in how French business schools market these professional qualifications as "masters" even though technically they are not academic masters but masters-level professional qualifications.

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https://www.francecompetences.fr/recherche/rncp/36610/

The institution can award degrees

[Harry101]

"https://www.francecompetences.fr/recherche/rncp/36610/"

It literally says in upper corner "National Authority for the Financing and Regulation of Vocational Training and Apprenticeship" 

"It is therefore in order to meet these challenges that the network of ESG schools offers the "Business Development Manager-Level 6" certification.  The latter takes into account the latest developments in the sector, and covers all the skills necessary for the exercise of the profession." 

Translated, it has nothing to do with academic degree granting or higher education in France. Something used for sales or for example in call centers.

[Kab]

Te question is which types of degrees.
I am not talking about this prior center of education but is necessary to be aware that each country has their rules about what is academic or not. France has many types of degrees and some are academic, some not. You cannot go to another country an apply your country rules in general.

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Sorry Harry101 I did not saw your comment, when I started to write was not. Mine is less relevant. You explained it better.

[MrPanda]

Note: I and other mods cleaned up some argument posts in here.

Note about Upgrad: Upgrad is a reseller organization that sells online degrees similar to ENEB. They're accredited by various boards, etc, but, they may range from being a gold standard in some countries to being outright shady for other degrees. Whichever program you wish to do on Upgrad do your own research. Upgrad primarily targets Indian students and has surged in popularity after Australia banned Indian students. Thus, is why you often see a lot of Australian universities or island nations under those territories.

Upgrad is known for being pricey and inflexible about dates. They often use third-world graders that have a lack of understanding in English or the language of programs they're offering with. The degrees are awarded as a "partnership with" and not from the actual university. I've contacted them in the past for some diploma examples and it will say Upgrad on them. Unless this changed recently.

Upgrad is no different than ENEB or Ducere. If it helps you reach your goal, do it. If it's not to your liking, move on from this thread and make other threads about great programs that you find!

This is the Diploma example that has been in their website for the Upgrad´s GGU DBA since more than one year ago: