Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES!

[bjcheung77]

Interesting, this degree in Mexico from San Miguel, the PhD and their DBA counterpart, I think they're the CUE/Excellent DBA, PhD, and was referenced in the sister board.  I think that they're going for a little cost of 1500 Euro each, with an evaluation, you can get one for under 2K USD total!  A double degree would be under 4K and if you can get IFCS (NACES) evaluation, you can probably get a favorable review.

[stevennguyen15691]

I just checked with the school. The program was offered only in Spanish. You have to write the thesis in Spanish, not English.

[Harry101]

Someone also confirmed it is Titulo Propio in a different thread, regarding San Miguel. But that not the biggest problem, the Akademia Jagiellonska does not provide any DBA programs on their website, nor can it officially by the Polish government decree, so that image seems like some kind of credential fraud. On top of it, the evaluation image has institutions names blurred out.

[Tomas]

The person surely meant "Akademia Jagiellońska w Toruniu." They are accredited in Poland, but only as a small non-public college. They also award MBAs, but this particular DBA award likely came from their more controversial Czech branch - FVES.eu

I'm not aware of controversies regarding FVES.eu here in Czech republic, their standard bachelor and master degrees are accredited.
The problem might stem from the fact that MBA and DBA in both Czech republic and Poland has nothing to do with academic studies, it's "lifelong learning" and is therefore not a subject to state accreditation. That's no big deal here, local managers are acquiring those for work purposes and know it's just lifelong learning.
So it all boils down to what accreditation by the American Association of Higher Education Accreditation (AAHEA) is worth?

[Jack Ma]

Hello,

I stumbled upon a story from a user named Random from Hong Kong, who shared his experience on a Chinese forum. He has obtained a Ph.D. degree from Universidad de San Miguel in Mexico and a Master's degree in Business Administration from Jagiellonian University in Poland.

Unfortunately, these university degrees were not recognized by WES Canada. Random stated that they flatly refused to accept the degrees from these institutions. He did not attempt WES USA, fearing that it might be even more challenging.

However, he succeeded with Validential evaluated as RA, they were willing to recognize both his Ph.D. and DBA degrees.

I have also attached the valid information that Random shared, evaluated as RA from Validential, along with his degree certificates from Universidad de San Miguel in Mexico and Jagiellonian College in Poland.

"They recognized his Ph.D and DBA degree"? which one is now the DBA. And did it not start with MBA? or we lost that one in translation.

Jagiellonian University has 16 Faculties that specialize in different things. Here's the thing, there is no MBA's in Jagiellonian, and in any Polish public educational sector. Not even the marketing buzzwords like a lot of them like to use in Faculties that specialize in Economics.

..like lets say: Faculty of Management and Social Communication - Jagiellonian University (uj.edu.pl) - no MBAs

https://radon.nauka.gov.pl/dane/studia-p...m-kierunku - i toned it down to Jagiellonian University and Second degree (Masters) for people to look it up easier, you wount find them. At least not as MBA's. But hey you are more then welcome to look it up in the Ministry Website (at least the one from the student, and prove me wrong) should anyone wish, so here is the starting page to look it up;

https://radon.nauka.gov.pl/dane/studia-p...m-kierunku 

As for what Validential recognizes as Regional and where it can pass, il leave that part to someone in US. One big red flag is the WES database do not align with the database regarding recognizing San Miguel for instance. I am also questioning how did according to the story San Miguel approve the PhD, on what account.

Ahh... My mistake,
*: He has obtained a Ph.D. degree from Universidad de San Miguel in Mexico and a DBA degree from Akademia Jagiellońska w Toruniu in Poland.

This post has nothing to do with Jagiellonian University.

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After viewing the attachments, I understand why a person would mask their personal information. However, it is hard to give validity to an foreign credential evaluation when the person masks the name of the university on the evaluation.

I'm not quite sure why the person would mask the awarding institution's name from Validential.

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Interesting, this degree in Mexico from San Miguel, the PhD and their DBA counterpart, I think they're the CUE/Excellent DBA, PhD, and was referenced in the sister board.  I think that they're going for a little cost of 1500 Euro each, with an evaluation, you can get one for under 2K USD total!  A double degree would be under 4K and if you can get IFCS (NACES) evaluation, you can probably get a favorable review.

YES. the certificate shows the CUE.  If they could have a degree issued like ENEB's directly by Isabel I, I think there might be a chance for it to be recognized, rather than this kind of joint printing name of the Institution on the certificate.

[eLearner]

Interesting, this degree in Mexico from San Miguel, the PhD and their DBA counterpart, I think they're the CUE/Excellent DBA, PhD, and was referenced in the sister board.  I think that they're going for a little cost of 1500 Euro each, with an evaluation, you can get one for under 2K USD total!  A double degree would be under 4K and if you can get IFCS (NACES) evaluation, you can probably get a favorable review.

Where would a person even enroll? The site doesn't appear to have any links to enroll in the program, I also see no mention of tuition costs.

[bjcheung77]

Basically, you have to 'ask for info', they'll email you back with details.  I had a search on the website for "Excellent" "Program" and it came up with the DBA, PhD (HR).  Link: https://www.emagister.com/doctorado/web/...nt+program  This is the email reply you'll get back... Link: https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?thr...ost-580014

[Harry101]

If people want a Linkedin degree, this is it. But do not expect your employers to take this as means for a raise or anything in academic regard. I've followed the links from Emagister, none of those Institutions fall in EU as part of EQAR or ENQUA. So you can scratch any type of ECTS (European Credit Transfer System) from them. Requirement to award them is to have a degree granting approval from the Ministry, and this is what any future employer is going to look for so he can officially approve your MBA, DBA.

This is why you have St. Gallen MBA's in the Swiss Ministry (btw they cost like 9000 CHF in total), and why IMD is now holding Institutional accreditation in Swiss. Same thing for HEC Paris or Frankfurt Business School. If you want to future proff the degree look for Institutional accreditation in EU.

[openair]

The person surely meant "Akademia Jagiellońska w Toruniu." They are accredited in Poland, but only as a small non-public college. They also award MBAs, but this particular DBA award likely came from their more controversial Czech branch - FVES.eu

I'm not aware of controversies regarding FVES.eu here in Czech republic, their standard bachelor and master degrees are accredited.
The problem might stem from the fact that MBA and DBA in both Czech republic and Poland has nothing to do with academic studies, it's "lifelong learning" and is therefore not a subject to state accreditation. That's no big deal here, local managers are acquiring those for work purposes and know it's just lifelong learning.
So it all boils down to what accreditation by the American Association of Higher Education Accreditation (AAHEA) is worth?

Yes, the non-academic (granted outside the official degree-granting system) lifelong learning MBA/DBA "degree" is a viable option within the Czech Republic and Slovakia. However, the Polish institution, which is registered as a foreign entity in the Czech Republic with the authorization to provide only two accredited degrees (FVES), claims that it issues other awards that are accredited in Poland under "Studia podyplomowe". In one of their pamphlets, they say the following: "Our Managerial programs are also accredited on the basis of the Laws of Poland as "Studia Podyplomowe” according to the Article no. 164...." (source: https://www.study-dba.eu/pdf/DBA-EN-leaflet.pdf) . However, the claim appears unfounded, since Polish institutions always grant a very specific award that has legal validity in Poland to any actual graduate of studia podyplomowe. This official Polish "partial qualification" award is known as "Świadectwo ukończenia studiów podyplomowych" (Certificate of Completion of Postgraduate Studies). There are no signs that this official Polish award is granted to Czech graduates of the MBA or DBA programs. Furthermore, the Czech DBA award is called a doctoral degree, yet Polish postgraduate studies do not constitute any type of a degree in Poland! They are even referred to as "Postgraduate non-degree studies" in Poland. See here for proof: https://nawa.gov.pl/en/recognition/recog...ee-studies. This is why I've said that there are some controversies here. Essentially, you get a Czech non-official "Doctoral degree" based off Polish "non-degree studies." I find that puzzling.

[cacoleman1983]

The person surely meant "Akademia Jagiellońska w Toruniu." They are accredited in Poland, but only as a small non-public college. They also award MBAs, but this particular DBA award likely came from their more controversial Czech branch - FVES.eu

I'm not aware of controversies regarding FVES.eu here in Czech republic, their standard bachelor and master degrees are accredited.
The problem might stem from the fact that MBA and DBA in both Czech republic and Poland has nothing to do with academic studies, it's "lifelong learning" and is therefore not a subject to state accreditation. That's no big deal here, local managers are acquiring those for work purposes and know it's just lifelong learning.
So it all boils down to what accreditation by the American Association of Higher Education Accreditation (AAHEA) is worth?

Yes, the non-academic (granted outside the official degree-granting system) lifelong learning MBA/DBA "degree" is a viable option within the Czech Republic and Slovakia. However, the Polish institution, which is registered as a foreign entity in the Czech Republic with the authorization to provide only two accredited degrees (FVES), claims that it issues other awards that are accredited in Poland under "Studia podyplomowe". In one of their pamphlets, they say the following: "Our Managerial programs are also accredited on the basis of the Laws of Poland as "Studia Podyplomowe” according to the Article no. 164...." (source: https://www.study-dba.eu/pdf/DBA-EN-leaflet.pdf) . However, the claim appears unfounded, since Polish institutions always grant a very specific award that has legal validity in Poland to any actual graduate of studia podyplomowe. This official Polish "partial qualification" award is known as "Świadectwo ukończenia studiów podyplomowych" (Certificate of Completion of Postgraduate Studies). There are no signs that this official Polish award is granted to Czech graduates of the MBA or DBA programs. Furthermore, the Czech DBA award is called a doctoral degree, yet Polish postgraduate studies do not constitute any type of a degree in Poland! They are even referred to as "Postgraduate non-degree studies" in Poland. See here for proof: https://nawa.gov.pl/en/recognition/recog...ee-studies. This is why I've said that there are some controversies here. Essentially, you get a Czech non-official "Doctoral degree" based off Polish "non-degree studies." I find that puzzling.

Sounds like it should get roughly the same type foreign credential evaluation as ENEB's degrees and other Spanish Propio.  Mostly likely, it would be given a Graduate/Post-Graduate Certificate, evaluate for graduate studies only, or a graduate degree from a regionally accredited institution but a non-accredited program.