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Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - Jack Ma - 08-08-2023
Hello,
I stumbled upon a story from a user named Random from Hong Kong, who shared his experience on a Chinese forum. He has obtained a Ph.D. degree from Universidad de San Miguel in Mexico and a Master's degree in Business Administration from Jagiellonian University in Poland.
Unfortunately, these university degrees were not recognized by WES Canada. Random stated that they flatly refused to accept the degrees from these institutions. He did not attempt WES USA, fearing that it might be even more challenging.
However, he succeeded with Validential evaluated as RA, they were willing to recognize both his Ph.D. and DBA degrees.
I have also attached the valid information that Random shared, evaluated as RA from Validential, along with his degree certificates from Universidad de San Miguel in Mexico and Jagiellonian College in Poland.
RE: Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - Harry101 - 08-08-2023
(08-08-2023, 05:46 AM)Jack Ma Wrote: Hello,
I stumbled upon a story from a user named Random from Hong Kong, who shared his experience on a Chinese forum. He has obtained a Ph.D. degree from Universidad de San Miguel in Mexico and a Master's degree in Business Administration from Jagiellonian University in Poland.
Unfortunately, these university degrees were not recognized by WES Canada. Random stated that they flatly refused to accept the degrees from these institutions. He did not attempt WES USA, fearing that it might be even more challenging.
However, he succeeded with Validential evaluated as RA, they were willing to recognize both his Ph.D. and DBA degrees.
I have also attached the valid information that Random shared, evaluated as RA from Validential, along with his degree certificates from Universidad de San Miguel in Mexico and Jagiellonian College in Poland.
"They recognized his Ph.D and DBA degree"? which one is now the DBA. And did it not start with MBA? or we lost that one in translation.
Jagiellonian University has 16 Faculties that specialize in different things. Here's the thing, there is no MBA's in Jagiellonian, and in any Polish public educational sector. Not even the marketing buzzwords like a lot of them like to use in Faculties that specialize in Economics.
..like lets say: Faculty of Management and Social Communication - Jagiellonian University (uj.edu.pl) - no MBAs
https://radon.nauka.gov.pl/dane/studia-prowadzone-na-okreslonym-kierunku - i toned it down to Jagiellonian University and Second degree (Masters) for people to look it up easier, you wount find them. At least not as MBA's. But hey you are more then welcome to look it up in the Ministry Website (at least the one from the student, and prove me wrong) should anyone wish, so here is the starting page to look it up;
https://radon.nauka.gov.pl/dane/studia-prowadzone-na-okreslonym-kierunku
As for what Validential recognizes as Regional and where it can pass, il leave that part to someone in US. One big red flag is the WES database do not align with the database regarding recognizing San Miguel for instance. I am also questioning how did according to the story San Miguel approve the PhD, on what account.
RE: Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - openair - 08-08-2023
The person surely meant "Akademia Jagiellońska w Toruniu." They are accredited in Poland, but only as a small non-public college. They also award MBAs, but this particular DBA award likely came from their more controversial Czech branch - FVES.eu
Validential is heavily promoted on this website, but it is not taken seriously within the U.S. academic credential evaluation community. Only two organizations and their members are taken with utmost seriousness - NACES and AICE. Wikipedia isn't the best source of information, but it provides a nice overview:
"There is no regulations in terms of international degree evaluation in the US, and the U.S. Department of State or the U.S. government of the entity doesn’t affiliate or endorse any foreign credential evaluation agencies. Therefore, there is no federal (national) government agency that oversees credential evaluations in the United States. There are professional associations such as Association of International Credential Evaluators, Inc. (AICE) and National Association of Credential Evaluation Services (NACES) that create and maintain ethical standards in the field though they are not governing agencies and membership by credential evaluators is voluntary. However, credential evaluators must meet certain criteria to belong to AICE and NACES. Universities and colleges also evaluate credentials themselves. An NACES or AICE agency is normally required by universities in the US."
RE: Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - bjcheung77 - 08-08-2023
Yeah, Validential is pretty much like the 'last resort type of thing' foreign evaluator, as they are not AICE or NACES members, they do have some educational institutions and government agencies that accept the evaluations. Whatever you do, don't go for anything lower than them, I've seen people try CUFCE and they evaluate anything and everything as US RA, always go for AICE or NACES members first or at least agencies such as the ones authorized by educational institutions and/or other government agencies.
RE: Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - Harry101 - 08-08-2023
@openair You might be right, but lets hear what OP has to say, if its the one you say. That one is questionable since it is not even listed in ANABIN at all, same as WES US and Canada. Not to mention the Polish Ministry says straight out you can not award Doctorate level of programs;
https://nawa.gov.pl/en/recognition/polish-higher-education-system/higher-education-institutions
"Professional HEIs usually offer first-cycle (Bachelor, undergrad level) programmes with practical profile. They may also carry out second-cycle (Master) or long-cycle programmes with practical profile as well as provide specialist education. However, they are not entitled to organize doctoral programmes nor award doctoral degrees." - this is why even Jagiellońska w Toruniu, the one we might be thinking off, does not even list any Doctoral programs on their website.
So in short that story is filled with red flags. Starts with University that ends up with College, same as with MBA that somehow turns into DBA.
RE: Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - openair - 08-08-2023
(08-08-2023, 01:05 PM)Harry101 Wrote: @openair You might be right, but lets hear what OP has to say, if its the one you say. That one is questionable since it is not even listed in ANABIN at all, same as WES US and Canada. Not to mention the Polish Ministry says straight out you can not award Doctorate level of programs;
https://nawa.gov.pl/en/recognition/polish-higher-education-system/higher-education-institutions
"Professional HEIs usually offer first-cycle (Bachelor, undergrad level) programmes with practical profile. They may also carry out second-cycle (Master) or long-cycle programmes with practical profile as well as provide specialist education. However, they are not entitled to organize doctoral programmes nor award doctoral degrees." - this is why even Jagiellońska w Toruniu, the one we might be thinking off, does not even list any Doctoral programs on their website.
So in short that story is filled with red flags. Starts with University that ends up with College, same as with MBA that somehow turns into DBA.
I tend to agree with you. I've discussed this school in more detail (striving for an objective discussion) on the sister board where I use the 'tadj' username:
https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/country-preview-poland-inexpensive-european-education.62080/
RE: Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - Courcelles - 08-08-2023
What won't Validential accept as RA? Legit question, do they turn down anything that's at all more legitimate than Made On My DeskJet University?
RE: Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - Harry101 - 08-08-2023
A thx for the share i was not aware it was also in the sister board. Good read and a lot of good points are covered over there. I would just add my 2 cents that i am pretty sure it is somewhere listed in the HEdA- higher educational Act (legislative messure) for each country, state you can not establish new business across boarders. Not sure if its covered in Polish but i do think it should be. So this Checz entity if its some kind of co-operation exchange program with unrelated to the Polish entity for couple of semesters, i am wrong, if not then that's also a big red flag.
As for the DBA's i think in EU it's heading same as with MBA's. What i mean lot of Public Uni's advertise MBAs in EU, but they are listed officially in the Ministry as Masters, which they are. Same thing is probably going to happen with DBA's, Public Faculties specialized in Economics/Business/Management will advertize them as such. But as it is now, officially, any DBA in Public Uni in EU is nothing else then a self financed PhD specialized in Business Management.
RE: Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - bjcheung77 - 08-08-2023
(08-08-2023, 01:53 PM)Courcelles Wrote: What won't Validential accept as RA? Legit question, do they turn down anything that's at all more legitimate than Made On My DeskJet University?
It's really a grey area, they 'do' the evaluation by going through their own due diligence to make sure most of the requirements they have go through properly. At the very least, they make sure of a few things that 'add up' to a favorable or non favorable review. In the case for CUFCE, they don't seem to have any regulations or rules in regards to their evaluations at all...
RE: Mexico San Miguel PhD and Poland Jagiellonian College DBA NOT WES! - Kal Di - 08-08-2023
After viewing the attachments, I understand why a person would mask their personal information. However, it is hard to give validity to an foreign credential evaluation when the person masks the name of the university on the evaluation.