How Close Am I ?..............Degree Plan Help

[fuzzair]

I think I am finally back on track to complete my degree. I took (COOKDEROSA) Jennifer's advice and re-evaluated my school choices for completing my degree. This was a while back.

I am leaning toward a BA in Liberal Studies with TESC. I may still pursue a Criminal Justice degree, but I was hoping to take the path of least resistance.

I have a significant amount of credits, but I am just not sure where to apply them!! Any help would be appreciated.

I may still be lacking upper division credits......depends on TESC and how my credits are applied.

Thanks for the help.

BA Liberal Studies

General Education Requirements
a) English Composition 6
i) STILL NEEDED

) Humanities 12
i) Technical Writing ENG-201 3cr
ii) Intro Philosophy PHI-101 3cr
iii) Spanish CLEP Spanish 101/102 6cr

Social Sciences 12
i) Intro Sociology CLEP Intro Sociology 3cr
ii) American Govt POS-110 3cr
iii) Economics ECO-100 3cr
iv) US History HIS-114 3cr

Natural Sciences and Mathematics 12
i) College Algebra MAT-121 4cr
ii) Statics *(NOT StatiStics) EGM-211 3cr
iii) Prin Physics PHY-101 4cr
iv) Health Ed HEA-103 2cr

General Education Electives 18
i) Spanish CLEP Spanish 201/202 6cr
ii) Narcotics Vice Cont ADM JUS 049 3cr
iii) Community Relations ADM JUS 067 3cr
iv) Police Organ Admin ADM JUS 160 3cr
v) Intro Admin Just ADM JUS 001 3cr

Liberal Studies 33
a) Intro Corrections 1 ADM JUS 075 3cr
b) Criminal Law ADM JUS 002 3cr
c) Legel ASPTS Evidence ADM JUS 003 3cr
d) PR/Proc Just Syst ADM JUS 004 3cr
e) Patrol Proc ADM JUS 006 3cr
f) Police Officer CREDIT AOJ-492 6cr ?????
g) Officer Safety Course AOJ-199 2.5cr
h) Fire Arms AOJ-199 .5cr
i) College Trig MAT-129 4cr
j) Business Law Law-201 3cr

Free Electives 27
a) Mechanical Design MET-311 8cr ????
b) Computer Drafting GRA-251 2cr
c) Product Design MET-341 4cr ????
d) Piping Design GRA-341 4cr ????
e) Flight Instructor Rotor AVF-333 2cr ????
f) Flight Instructor Ground AVF-331 2cr ????
g) Commercial Pilot Air AVF-211 3cr
h) Private Ground AVF-111 3cr
i) Private Airplane AVF-121 3cr
j) Private Rotorcraft AVF-122 3cr
k) Coop Education COP-299 4cr
l) Commercial Pilot Ground AVF-212 3cr

[NAP]

I am not a TESC student.

I have looked at this degree with another forum member. It appears that the Gen Ed electives and Liberal Studies Area of Study need to be chosen from Humanities, Social Sciences, History, Natural Sciences and Mathematics categories. Be sure to find out, if your choices will work. (Is this how TESC listed them on your evaluation?)

Also, the UL requirements have changed for this degree in the Liberal Studies Area of Study section.

6 credits - 100 level
9 credits - 200 level
18 credits - 300 level

Thomas Edison State College | BA in Liberal Studies Credit Distribution

I see that you have looked at COSC, too. I don't know how your credits would transfer, but I wonder if you have looked at EC. Their BSLS would allow you to use 60 Applied Professional (free elective) credits.

Here is a template, which Alissa put together, for the BS in Liberal Studies at Excelsior:

http://www.degreeforum.net/62322-post10.html

Note: There is a new capstone course requirement for this degree and the GRE policy has changed.

[fuzzair]

I am not a TESC student.

I have looked at this degree with another forum member. It appears that the Gen Ed electives and Liberal Studies Area of Study need to be chosen from Humanities, Social Sciences, History, Natural Sciences and Mathematics categories. Be sure to find out, if your choices will work. (Is this how TESC listed them on your evaluation?)

Also, the UL requirements have changed for this degree in the Liberal Studies Area of Study section.

6 credits - 100 level
9 credits - 200 level
18 credits - 300 level

Thomas Edison State College | BA in Liberal Studies Credit Distribution

I see that you have looked at COSC, too. I don't know how your credits would transfer, but I wonder if you have looked at EC. Their BSLS would allow you to use 60 Applied Professional (free elective) credits.

Here is a template, which Alissa put together, for the BS in Liberal Studies at Excelsior:

http://www.degreeforum.net/62322-post10.html

Note: There is a new capstone course requirement for this degree and the GRE policy has changed.

NAP,

Thanks for your input. My previous degree plan was a bit of wishful thinking. Like I said, I was hoping to take the path of least resistance.

I went back and reviewed the CJ requirements at TESC. I think this is a much better fit for me based upon occupation, past education, credit requirements.

I would appreciate any recommendations you might have.

Thanks for the help


Criminal Justice
Subject Category Credits
I. General Education Requirements 60
A. English Composition 6
NEED TO COMPLETE

B. Humanities 12
Must include at least two subject areas
Tech Writing (ENG-201) 3cr
Intro Philo (PHI-101) 3cr
Spanish CLEP (SPANISH 101/102) 6cr

C. Social Sciences 12
Must include at least two subject areas
Sociology CLEP 3cr
Amer Govt (POS-110) 3cr
Economics (ECO-100) 3cr
US History (HIS-114) 3cr

D. Natural Sciences and Mathematics 12
One college-level mathematics course required (3)
Col Algebra (MAT-121) 3cr
One computer science course recommended (3)
NEED TO COMPLETE
information systems & computer apps CLEP

Other natural sciences/mathematics (6)
Statics (EGM-211) 3cr
Prin Physics (PHY-101) 4cr
Must include at least two subject areas

E. General Education Electives 15
One multicultural studies course (3)
NEED TO COMPLETE

SPANISH CLEP (Spanish 201/201) 6cr
Marr and Family (SOC-210) 2cr
Coll Trign (MAT-129) 4cr

II. Area of Study: Criminal Justice 33
A. Required Courses 15
Public Policy and Criminal Justice
Select one of the following courses:
Social Policy and Criminal Justice
Justice Planning
Public Policy, Crime and Criminal Justice
Any social policy course (3)
NEED TO COMPLETE
Organizational Behavior DANTES will fulfill "Social Planning covering areas such as social policy, planning, administration"

Criminal Law
Select one of the following courses:
Constitutional Issues
Criminal Law related courses (3)
Concepts/Criminal Law (Community College) 3cr

Justice Administration
Select one of the following courses:
Introduction to Criminal Justice
Any Justice Administration course (3)
Intro Admin Justice (Community College) 3cr

Criminal Behavior and Victimology
Select one of the following courses:
Criminal Behavior and Victimology
Any Criminal Behavior course
Any Victimology course (3)
NEED TO COMPLETE
Victimology from Penn Foster

Research Methods
Select one of the following courses:
Research Methods in Social Sciences or other similar courses
Criminal Justice Research Methods
Justice Administration Research & Evaluation
Research Methods and Design in Criminal Justice (3)
NEED TO COMPLETE
Research Methods in Social Science. Penn Foster

B. Criminal Justice Electives* 18
LIB-495 Liberal Arts Capstone strongly recommended
Narcotics Vice (Community College)
Community Relations (Community College) 3cr
Police Organization (Community College) 3cr
Patrol Procedures (Community College) 3cr
Intro Corrections (Community College) 3cr
Legal Aspects Evidence (Community College) 3cr
Procedures Justice System (Community College) 3cr
Police Academy Credits 10cr
NEED TO COMPLETE UPPER UNITS ?????
Depends on TESC application of completed courses and PLA


C. Requirements
Courses transferred to Thomas Edison State College are equated to the following levels: 100, 200, 300 or 400. A maximum of two college-level courses equating to the 100 level can be applied toward the area of study. A minimum of 18 credits equating to 300 or 400 are required.

III. Free Electives 27
Mechanical Design (MET-311) 8cr
Computer Drafting (GRA-251) 2cr
Product Design (MET-341) 4cr
Piping Design (GRA-341) 4cr
Flight Instructor Rotor (AVF-333) 2cr
Flight Instructor Ground (AVF-331) 2cr
Commercial Pilot Air (AVF-211) 3cr
Private Ground (AVF-111) 3cr
Private Airplane (AVF-121) 3cr
Private Rotorcraft (AVF-122) 3cr
Coop Education (COP-299) 4cr
Commercial Pilot Ground (AVF-212) 3cr

[cookderosa]

Hello

Did you apply at TESC? If you do this, they will do a free credit evaluation. This is really (really!) a good way to figure out where your general education electives and free electives will fall. AOJ/CJ are fuzzy - you'll see people here where they have fallen in one, but not the other. I have not yet wrapped my brain around how that field's credit distribution works.

What did I suggest when we talked- I can't imagine I suggest the liberal arts degree with your credit history - the bulk of your credit isn't in liberal arts...I can't imagine I've ever suggest that degree, maybe I did. I'm getting old- and I'm studying for stats, so mostly just mush going on upstairs right now.

Can you argue /convince someone that you can merge the fields of AOJ and Aviation? If so, you might be able to pull off the easiest degree of all - the Learner Designed Area of Study. Thomas Edison State College | Learner Designed Area of Study (LDAS) I'd SERIOUSLY think hard about this, if you can sell it you can do it. IS there such a field? Is there any way you can (already have) merged these two disciplines in your life? Look at it and see what you think. It's kinda new. If you could pull together an aviation-AOJ degree, then everything free elective (your list plus what I have in red) gets moved over to your major. It'd mean you were only short English.


Thomas Edison State College | Learner Designed Area of Study (LDAS)

General Education Requirements
a) English Composition 6
i) STILL NEEDED

) Humanities 12
i) Technical Writing ENG-201 3cr
ii) Intro Philosophy PHI-101 3cr
iii) Spanish CLEP Spanish 101/102 6cr

Social Sciences 12
i) Intro Sociology CLEP Intro Sociology 3cr
ii) American Govt POS-110 3cr
iii) Economics ECO-100 3cr
iv) US History HIS-114 3cr

Natural Sciences and Mathematics 12
i) College Algebra MAT-121 4cr **they might count this as 3 not 4
ii) Statics *(NOT StatiStics) EGM-211 3cr
iii) Prin Physics PHY-101 4cr
iv) Health Ed HEA-103 2cr

General Education Electives 18
i) Spanish CLEP Spanish 201/202 6cr

[COLOR="red"] these may not count here, may be free electives
ii) Narcotics Vice Cont ADM JUS 049 3cr
iii) Community Relations ADM JUS 067 3cr
iv) Police Organ Admin ADM JUS 160 3cr
v) Intro Admin Just ADM JUS 001 3cr[/COLOR]

Liberal Studies 33
[COLOR="red"]

again, may be free electives
a) Intro Corrections 1 ADM JUS 075 3cr
b) Criminal Law ADM JUS 002 3cr
c) Legel ASPTS Evidence ADM JUS 003 3cr
d) PR/Proc Just Syst ADM JUS 004 3cr
e) Patrol Proc ADM JUS 006 3cr
f) Police Officer CREDIT AOJ-492 6cr ?????
g) Officer Safety Course AOJ-199 2.5cr
h) Fire Arms AOJ-199 .5cr[/COLOR]
i) College Trig MAT-129 4cr
j) Business Law Law-201 3cr

Free Electives 27
a) Mechanical Design MET-311 8cr ????
b) Computer Drafting GRA-251 2cr
c) Product Design MET-341 4cr ????
d) Piping Design GRA-341 4cr ????
e) Flight Instructor Rotor AVF-333 2cr ????
f) Flight Instructor Ground AVF-331 2cr ????
g) Commercial Pilot Air AVF-211 3cr
h) Private Ground AVF-111 3cr
i) Private Airplane AVF-121 3cr
j) Private Rotorcraft AVF-122 3cr
k) Coop Education COP-299 4cr
l) Commercial Pilot Ground AVF-212 3cr

[fuzzair]

You DID NOT recommend a LA degree. You recommended I consider other options than what I originally posted

Cookderosa,

You are great! I would have never considered combining the two!

As a matter of fact, I am a helicopter pilot for a large municipal police department assigned to the airborne law enforcement unit. I have been a pilot for over eight years, with additional time as an airborne tactical flight officer (observer). I have been a police officer for over 22 years. What a perfect fit.

Not having a degree has bugged me for a very long time. You might have just given me a HUGE piece of information that will make my goal a reality.

If necessary, I could do a pla for some of the upper div aviation units (helicopter) and law enforcement units .??

AM I REALLY THAT CLOSE??? I can't believe it!:willynilly:

[cookderosa]

You DID NOT recommend a LA degree. You recommended I consider other options than what I originally posted

Cookderosa,

You are great! I would have never considered combining the two!

As a matter of fact, I am a helicopter pilot for a large municipal police department assigned to the airborne law enforcement unit. I have been a pilot for over eight years, with additional time as an airborne tactical flight officer (observer). I have been a police officer for over 22 years. What a perfect fit.

Not having a degree has bugged me for a very long time. You might have just given me a HUGE piece of information that will make my goal a reality.

If necessary, I could do a pla for some of the upper div aviation units (helicopter) and law enforcement units .??

AM I REALLY THAT CLOSE??? I can't believe it!:willynilly:

That DOES sound like a perfect fit! I'd call TESC today, you won't get any hard information, but you could poke around a little more about the LDA and what's involved. You might also post an open question here and over at DegreeInfo. It's possible that on one of the two boards SOMEONE has already done some homework into that degree. I'm super excited that this might work for you!!
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