History Upper Level Credits (Please help!)

[TayTay]

Sorry I haven't responded! I spent last night finishing studying for my CLEP (which I took this morning)! (Praise the Lord...I passed!)

Or pick them up on my schedule at $600 from the University of Idaho.....this is an easy decision.

rebel100, I have an email into TESC confirming that the history course would qualify. (I called the advisor "hotline," but they weren't 100% sure and told me to email to verify.) I plan on taking the course, when I get the confirmation!

I'm taking War and American Society and I love it. I used it to replace World Conflicts which I was having a hard time with. I started in May.

Thanks for the information!

Rechtschaffen is probably your best bet as far as cost goes, but check with TESC first before you sign up for any of their history courses there. There shouldn't be a problem but no one here has taken advantage of this option yet.

Another option you might consider is one I did back in 2010 when I finished my BA in History through TESC: since you're taking DSST Intro to the Modern Middle East exam, sign up for HIS310 The Middle East through TESC. That course covers virtually the same material as the DSST so if you do well in one you should ace the other very easily, or at least that was my experience. Of course back then there wasn't a capstone requirement so I took that course to also ensure I had a GPA at TESC.

Thank you for your suggestion! That is a good idea!

If it helps, Taylor, here's what I have planned for my History credits

LL DSST Civil War & Reconstruction (3)
UL DSST Introduction to the Mdern Middle East (3)
UL DSST Rise & Fall of the Soviet Union (3)
UL DSST History of the Vietnam War (3)
UL Excelsior World Conflicts Since 1900 (3)
UL TESC course "Leaders in History" (3)
UL TESC course "Liberal Arts Capstone" (3)

Thanks, Westerner! Looks great!

I appreciate everyone's advice, comments, and suggestions! You have been most helpful. When this came up, I knew immediately who to ask!!!!

[TayTay]

Quick update:

I received this email from TESC (below), on Friday, so I replied, asking which history credits (from CSU-Pueblo, LSU, BYU, and University of Idaho) that TESC accepts as UL.

"I would advise you not to take these two courses [I asked about the University of Idaho courses, "HIS-417 United States 1919-1960" and "HIS-416 Rise of Modern America 1877-1919"] as they are the equivalent of our 200-level history courses. In order to complete your area of Study you need two additional upper-level courses, that is, 300- or 400-level courses."

So...I am trying to patiently (:toetap: ) wait on a response to see which course I will be needing to take!

Thanks, again, for the links and information on alternative credit sources! Hopefully, I'll be able to find an UL course from these options!

[JohnnyHeck]

I had some of the same issues with TESC in BA Music over UL vs LL course transfer equivalencies (TE). Sanantone may disagree with me but what I seem to think is that your desired UL course must not have any words in the title that match a TESC TE LL (see PLA database for possible matches) I only needed a couple of UL courses in music. I found many designated as such at ASU, U.TxPermain Basin, Valley City ND and even UCLA, But if the course had a tiltle that was already in the TESC database as similar to a LL that was it, relegated to LL! E.g. A UL course in Rock & Roll could not be UL at TESC because a music Rock & Roll history course was already in the database as LL. I finally scored with ASU History of the Beatles crossed to TESC Mus-307 "music of a specific performer". Sorry Cookderosa, to say this isn't a quirky system is wrong. But TayTay, you are on the right track. Just keep suggesting UL possibilities and they'll say yes eventually. The advisor you want to talk to is Todd Siben, he knows all the quirks.

[sanantone]

What Johnny Heck said is true, but I still believe that TESC is more content driven. The course names don't have to be an exact match. Most often, there is no exact match when it comes to course titles other than the standard courses offered by all colleges. More than likely, HIS-417 United States 1919-1960 was seen to be covering much of the same ground as U.S. 1929-1948 (HIS-217) making its content similar to what TESC considers a LL course. TESC will and has put completely different names on transfer courses. For example, I transferred in a LL DAAC course in Intro to Alcohol/Drug Addictions. I think it was first coded as an UL SOS course in Substance Abuse and then the name was changed to an UL SOS course for Drugs in Society. I also transferred a course called World Culture and the Arts and TESC labeled it as Humanities I. Fundamentals of Music was labeled Basic Sight and Ear Training or something like that. When TESC can't match content, it'll give a generic XXX-199, XXX-299, XXX-399 etc. They labeled almost all of my master's courses as AOJ-499. I really don't know why they did that because none of the courses have anything to do with criminal justice in content or title. Two were labeled HLS-499 which makes more sense. The others should be POS for political science or something else.

I'm assuming that the content of those courses is too general and broad. UL history courses tend to be more focused. Although, there is an UL course in the History of the 20th Century in the PLA database.

[sanantone]

I found something! Either TESC overlooked this course in the PLA database or it determined that the contents of the courses did not match.

TESC course
Modern America (HIS-417) 3.00 s.h.**
the political, social, cultural and economic development of the American people in the modern period. Studies the United States in its foreign relations.

Idaho course for Rise of Modern America
Industrial and economic development, political reform, Populism, the Progressive Era, and World War I

You might be able to argue this one. The only major difference is that the Idaho course does not focus on foreign relations.
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[TayTay]

I had some of the same issues with TESC in BA Music over UL vs LL course transfer equivalencies (TE). Sanantone may disagree with me but what I seem to think is that your desired UL course must not have any words in the title that match a TESC TE LL (see PLA database for possible matches) I only needed a couple of UL courses in music. I found many designated as such at ASU, U.TxPermain Basin, Valley City ND and even UCLA, But if the course had a tiltle that was already in the TESC database as similar to a LL that was it, relegated to LL! E.g. A UL course in Rock & Roll could not be UL at TESC because a music Rock & Roll history course was already in the database as LL. I finally scored with ASU History of the Beatles crossed to TESC Mus-307 "music of a specific performer". Sorry Cookderosa, to say this isn't a quirky system is wrong. But TayTay, you are on the right track. Just keep suggesting UL possibilities and they'll say yes eventually. The advisor you want to talk to is Todd Siben, he knows all the quirks.

Thanks, Johnny! That helps!

What Johnny Heck said is true, but I still believe that TESC is more content driven. The course names don't have to be an exact match. Most often, there is no exact match when it comes to course titles other than the standard courses offered by all colleges. More than likely, HIS-417 United States 1919-1960 was seen to be covering much of the same ground as U.S. 1929-1948 (HIS-217) making its content similar to what TESC considers a LL course. TESC will and has put completely different names on transfer courses. For example, I transferred in a LL DAAC course in Intro to Alcohol/Drug Addictions. I think it was first coded as an UL SOS course in Substance Abuse and then the name was changed to an UL SOS course for Drugs in Society. I also transferred a course called World Culture and the Arts and TESC labeled it as Humanities I. Fundamentals of Music was labeled Basic Sight and Ear Training or something like that. When TESC can't match content, it'll give a generic XXX-199, XXX-299, XXX-399 etc. They labeled almost all of my master's courses as AOJ-499. I really don't know why they did that because none of the courses have anything to do with criminal justice in content or title. Two were labeled HLS-499 which makes more sense. The others should be POS for political science or something else.

I'm assuming that the content of those courses is too general and broad. UL history courses tend to be more focused. Although, there is an UL course in the History of the 20th Century in the PLA database.

Thanks, sanantone! I appreciate the information!

I found something! Either TESC overlooked this course in the PLA database or it determined that the contents of the courses did not match.

TESC course
Modern America (HIS-417) 3.00 s.h.**
the political, social, cultural and economic development of the American people in the modern period. Studies the United States in its foreign relations.

Idaho course for Rise of Modern America
Industrial and economic development, political reform, Populism, the Progressive Era, and World War I

You might be able to argue this one. The only major difference is that the Idaho course does not focus on foreign relations.
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I will see what they email back and ask, again, if I need to!

Thanks, everyone!!!

[TayTay]

I received a reply from TESC about the UL history courses!!! There are several that I can use! Praise the Lord!

:hurray:

Here is the email:

With the lists you submitted, keep in mind that courses in transfer do not always equate at the same level as the institution from which they originated.

Colorado State University

HIST-311 equates to our HIS-346, American Diplomatic History II

HIST-414 equates to HIS-235, so will not qualify as an upper-level history course.

Louisiana State University

HIST-4130 equates to our HIS-357, World War II

HIST-4140 equates to our HIS-351, The Vietnam War

HIST-4051 and HIST-4052 both equate to 200-level courses, so they will not qualify as upper-level history courses

Brigham Young University

Four of these can clearly be identified identified as upper-level history courses:

HIST-302 - The Italian Renaissance (HIS-399 equivalency)

HIST-304 - The Expansion of Europe, 1400-1800 (HIS-399 equivalency)

HIST-340 - Traditional China (HIS-326, East Asian Civilization II)

HIST-341 China Since 1200 (HIS-325 - East Asian Civilization I)

I have asked the dean's office for an opinion on the balance of the courses you submitted and will add this information once I receive it.


Thank you, thank you, thank you for your wonderful advice and help! Y'all are the best!!!

[Westerner]

Great news, Taylor!

Hey, Westerner, how was World Conflicts? I found it so confusing to study for, no real direction...

Y'know, it wasn't too bad Sure, I was kinda lost at first because there are three books to read and no flashcards :eek: But with the SEF, practice tests and fact sheet, it made the studying easier I did learn a lot and am glad I took it

[Lyanne]

Great news, Taylor!


Y'know, it wasn't too bad Sure, I was kinda lost at first because there are three books to read and no flashcards :eek: But with the SEF, practice tests and fact sheet, it made the studying easier I did learn a lot and am glad I took it

Great! I found that the International Relations book is a keeper. I refer to it for my War and American Society class. I'm trying to sell the other two, they are dry as dust.

[Westerner]

Great! I found that the International Relations book is a keeper. I refer to it for my War and American Society class. I'm trying to sell the other two, they are dry as dust.

That's great! I know, they can get dry :/