HAU Joint MBA & MSSM combo! <gasp>

[sanantone]

I got my credits reviewed and got three courses waived but it required me to send my official transcripts and course syllabus.

ENEB or an accredited college? HAU's catalog says the school must have degree-granting authority from their government.

[bjcheung77]

As I posted on the sister forum, Just had a quick question about which courses can be waived I tried to understand the spreadsheet but couldn't identify which MBA courses would directly be waived as the same course in the MSSM.

I got my credits reviewed and got three courses waived but it required me to send my official transcripts and course syllabus.

Which one of these degrees courses are you planning or have you got waivers for? There are 9 courses in the core, only a third of them can be waived. If I had to hazard a guess, most of your Excelsior Credits for the MPA came through as transfer credit as back then, they allowed up to 24 credits of transfer into their 30 credit program... prior to that, the program was 33 credits and allowed a max of 27. So, my guess is that you're going to have to transfer in 1-3 courses from the CJ or UA degree... BTW, you're amazing, going for the VUL and HAU degrees at the same time!

Degrees In Progress:
Doctor of Healthcare Administration - Virginia University of Lynchburg in progress Expected Dec. 2021
Masters of Business Administration - Hellenic American University in progress Expected June 2022

Completed Degrees:
Masters of Public Administration - Excelsior College '19
Masters of Arts in Urban Affairs - Queens College '17
Masters of Arts in Criminal Justice - John Jay College Of Criminal Justice '16

[eLearner]

ENEB or an accredited college? HAU's catalog says the school must have degree-granting authority from their government.

Sounds like they would qualify. Even though propios are not registered like official degrees, the school has degree-granting authority in Spain under the 1983 education act to recognize propios as valid.

[newdegree]

As I posted on the sister forum, Just had a quick question about which courses can be waived I tried to understand the spreadsheet but couldn't identify which MBA courses would directly be waived as the same course in the MSSM.

I got my credits reviewed and got three courses waived but it required me to send my official transcripts and course syllabus.

Which one of these degrees courses are you planning or have you got waivers for?  There are 9 courses in the core, only a third of them can be waived.  If I had to hazard a guess, most of your Excelsior Credits for the MPA came through as transfer credit as back then, they allowed up to 24 credits of transfer into their 30 credit program... prior to that, the program was 33 credits and allowed a max of 27.  So, my guess is that you're going to have to transfer in 1-3 courses from the CJ or UA degree...  BTW, you're amazing, going for the VUL and HAU degrees at the same time!

Degrees In Progress:
Doctor of Healthcare Administration - Virginia University of Lynchburg in progress Expected Dec. 2021
Masters of Business Administration - Hellenic American University in progress Expected June 2022

Completed Degrees:
Masters of Public Administration - Excelsior College '19
Masters of Arts in Urban Affairs - Queens College '17
Masters of Arts in Criminal Justice - John Jay College Of Criminal Justice '16

Why thank you , I’m doing both because I can balance while working a full-time job. I have always found away to transfer around credits between all my degrees. I got functional skill integration , operation research , and accounting for decision making waived for the MBA program.
At excelsior college I was able to transfer 21 credits from my UA and CRJ degree to complete an MPA under the old requirements which they allowed up to 27 transfer credits. Only had to take three courses. Sometimes you have to move fast while the iron is hot… the ship sailed and now they only allow 15 transfer credits. That’s why when I see a golden deal I go for it fast.

[sanantone]

I've had more time to look at this. I can't figure out what's going on in the spreadsheet. The five required sales courses are listed out in the catalog. I'm not understanding why Cross Cultural Management is highlighted on the spreadsheet when it's not required for the joint degree program. Whether or not you take Cross Cultural Management as an elective in the MBA program has no effect on how many sales courses you need to take. So, the only overlap I see is Supply Chain Management, which can be taken as an MBA elective if it's even available online. As someone else noted, it's unknown if the required sales courses are available online or if all the MBA electives are available online.

SM530 B2B & B2C Marketing and Sales Practices 3 None
SM570 Advanced Seminars for Sales 3 None
SM540 International Marketing & Sales Management 3 None
SM520 Sales Management Strategies and Practices 3 None
BUS6124 Supply Chain Management 3 None


If it turns out the sales courses are available online, one would have to ask if transfer credits can be used and how many can be transferred in. A maximum of 25% of the degree can be transferred in, so would they count the MBA/MSSM as one degree and allow students to transfer in sales courses? If they're treated as separate degrees, I'm not sure they'll allow any transfer credits on the sales side since they already used MBA courses to waive 5 out of 10 sales courses. I also don't know where one would get the transfer credits cheaply. The sales courses are unique. The transfer credits cannot have been used in a completed degree (exceptions may be granted by the Provost). The waiver without substitution only applies to the MBA, so it's unknown whether the sales courses can be waived in the joint program.

Rules for waiver without substitution.

MBA: Applicants for admission to the MBA program who have an undergraduate business or economics
degree and/or at least 5 years of relevant business/professional experience are eligible to have up to 3
introductory level courses waived if the Admissions Committee concludes that this candidate has attained the
outcomes required to pass these courses. Generally, the rule of thumb will be a ratio of 3:1. That is, if a
candidate has taken at least 3 courses in a business or economics subject area with an average grade of at least
a B (or its equivalent in other assessment schemes), then the candidate may be eligible for a waiver WITHOUT
substitution of the first required course in that area of study in the MBA program.

Already answered earlier, the sales courses are more expensive than the MBA courses because of the tuition special. HAU decided which MBA core courses were similar to the MSSM core courses, and they eliminated those sales courses. I doubt they would let you apply the sales courses to the MBA core when the MBA core was already used to reduce the sales core.

Another thing that needs to be clarified is whether they allow up to 9 credits to be waived plus up to 9 credits to be transferred; that would be 18 credits. It's possible they have a 9-credit combined cap on waivers and transfers.

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ENEB or an accredited college? HAU's catalog says the school must have degree-granting authority from their government.

Sounds like they would qualify. Even though propios are not registered like official degrees, the school has degree-granting authority in Spain under the 1983 education act to recognize propios as valid.

Isabel has recognition from the government but ENEB does not. So, HAU have to decide whether to view the propio as being from Isabel or from ENEB. 

Credits may only be transferred from higher education institutions recognized by their respective national regulatory authorities. Consideration for transfer is given only upon admission to the University

[eLearner]

Isabel has recognition from the government but ENEB does not.

I was only referring to the degree-granting authority that they have. Even unaccredited schools offering propios are subject to government authority in terms of registration and approval to operate as a school or training center and grant degrees in Spain which is much stricter there than it has been most of the time for unaccredited schools in the United States, although things are tighter now in the U.S. than in the past. 

Though ENEB's degrees are propios and not official, Spain's government & authorized accreditor does exercise some indirect oversight of the operations of those types of programs. For example, Isabel at one time was registering more students than their student-teacher ratio allowed, the government found out, stepped in, and then found similar issues with some of the schools Isabel was certifying. It was claimed by some that the reason the government even became aware of Isabel's in-house issue is because the situation with some of the schools they were certifying had gotten out of hand and it became too serious to ignore. The government gave Isabel an order and a deadline to rectify the issue with themselves and the schools they certify, or risk losing accreditation. They fixed it. 

In the process of fixing the issue, Isabel decertified a number of schools, likely as a result of government findings and pressure. Some of those schools closed immediately after, similar to what we've seen in the U.S. when some schools have lost their accreditation. They probably realized that without certification by a University students would be far less interested and enrollments would plummet, too low to operate long-term. However, some of the decertified schools have been able to survive.

Along the way, I've learned that the propio tiers are:

1. University propios (best U.S. evaluation outcomes)

2. Certified propios taught by schools and training centers and issued by a University (favorable U.S. evaluation outcomes)

3. Uncertified propios offered by schools and training centers and issued only by the schools and training centers (worst U.S. evaluation outcomes and most likely to be rejected for evaluation altogether)

[Pats20]

IMO unless both can be completed for $3k total. It probably isn’t worth the extra headaches and dollars for the MS.

[bjcheung77]

Thanks so much for your time and help! I will apply and get my details completed as soon as possible. One more question if you don't mind me asking.

I have taken some graduate courses, I want to transfer them into the MBA program, I understand that I still need 9 core courses, 2 electives, and the capstone, is it possible to get a waiver for up to 3 courses and substitute it with something else?

For example, I have taken courses at a Spanish University at the graduate level, in Managerial Finance, Marketing Management, General Business Administration. I would like a waiver for these 3 classes, but substitute them with 3 other classes that you offer. Is that possible? Is there an extra charge for substitutions? I wouldn't mind paying for courses in your Masters of Sales Management course lists. A few of them interest me...

Thank you again for your help and have a great day!

You can definitely submit a request for waivers. You could use Sales Management courses for your electives but if you were to do the joint MBA-MSSM degree that HAU offers you would need to complete 16 courses and within those 16 you could have your credentials reviewed for 3 course waivers.

We would need to review but you could definitely take a look at your application.

[allvia]

Thanks so much for your time and help!  I will apply and get my details completed as soon as possible.  One more question if you don't mind me asking.

I have taken some graduate courses, I want to transfer them into the MBA program,  I understand that I still need 9 core courses, 2 electives, and the capstone, is it possible to get a waiver for up to 3 courses and substitute it with something else?

For example, I have taken courses at a Spanish University at the graduate level, in Managerial Finance, Marketing Management, General Business Administration.  I would like a waiver for these 3 classes, but substitute them with 3 other classes that you offer.  Is that possible?  Is there an extra charge for substitutions?  I wouldn't mind paying for courses in your Masters of Sales Management course lists.  A few of them interest me...

Thank you again for your help and have a great day!  

You can definitely submit a request for waivers. You could use Sales Management courses for your electives but if you were to do the joint MBA-MSSM degree that HAU offers you would need to complete 16 courses and within those 16 you could have your credentials reviewed for 3 course waivers.

We would need to review but you could definitely take a look at your application.

So, that is a 'No' to the two master degrees for the $3k.  The $3k MBA is 12 courses (36 credits).

[bjcheung77]

@Futuredegree, you want to be the guinea pig? Since you have 3 course waivers, did you start taking your 2 elective or 3 substitution courses yet? If not, can you send an application to take all 5 MSSM courses required in the joint MBA/MSSM degree program. The electives takes care of two, the 3 substitution courses take care of the remaining 3. So, in total, you're just swapping 9 credits of 3 courses...

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Err, @Newdegree, see below, hopefully you just need to take a max of 12 courses from them through the substitutions I listed.
Don't think of doing a MBA & MSSM, by taking all 12 courses for the MBA and the 5 courses for the joint MSSM, that'll equal 17.
Through substitutions, you're taking the 2 electives with the MSSM and switching 3 of the core courses, the total remains at 12.

Master of Business Administration (MBA)

Core Curriculum (9 courses, 27 credits – 54 ECTS)
BUS501 Functional Skills Integration
BUS511 The Business Landscape
BUS513 Business, Policy and the International Economy
BUS526 Marketing Management
BUS527HR Strategic Human Resources Management
BUS528 Managerial Finance
BUS6109 Accounting for Decision Making
BUS6110 Operations Research
BUS6120 Strategy

Capstone Project (1 course, 3 credits – 6 ECTS)
CP6300 Capstone Project

Electives: 2 Courses of your choice
Waiver:  Substitute 3 Core courses

The 12 courses you need to take and get permission to swap courses are the following.
Email the dean, get permission, and you need to see if the 5 MSSM courses are all offered online.
Final thing to ask for is the cost, if they would charge you differently as it's a different degree.

BUS511 The Business Landscape
BUS513 Business, Policy and the International Economy
BUS526 Marketing Management
BUS527HR Strategic Human Resources Management
BUS528 Managerial Finance
BUS6120 Strategy

SM530 B2B & B2C Marketing and Sales Practices
SM570 Advanced Seminars for Sales
SM540 International Marketing & Sales Management
SM520 Sales Management Strategies and Practices
BUS6124 Supply Chain Management
CP6300 Capstone Project