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I know that in Texas as well as many other states, it is against state law to use an unaccredited degree. I do know if this is the reason that UOTP can not offer its programs to Texas residents or not, but seems like a reasonable idea. I remember hearing something about how ITT Tech can not offer bachelors degree programs in Texas, but I do not know if that is still the case or not.
It would be nice to see UOTP offer masters degrees with this same model, for those who do not need an RA degree, this is a viable source for a degree.
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ITT Tech is accredited and has campuses in Texas. There was some other NA, for-profit school that was forced to shut down campuses in Texas because they failed to get state approval, had a lot of complaints, and were put on probation by their accreditor. Otherwise, Texas is not one of those states that's strict about out-of-state colleges offering distance programs to Texas residents. So, my guess is that UOTP wasn't allowed because it was unaccredited, but they can probably get approval now. Texas also does not allow one university to offer its distance physician assistant program to Texas residents because the school puts all of the responsibility for finding a preceptor on the student. I guess Texas and the 18 other states that won't allow this program thinks it's too risky for their residents to go through the whole program and not have a place to do their clinical rotations.
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I did some research on the issue, but it's kind of confusing. In 2010, the federal government passed legislation requiring that postsecondary institutions meet approval requirements in each state in which they operate in response to quality issues at for-profit colleges. In 2011, a court granted a stay on the law after a lawsuit was filed by an organization representing for-profit colleges. I don't know if the stay was ever lifted, but apparently, states were alerted to the fact that they could regulate out-of-state colleges offering programs to their residents. So now, we have a situation where states are passing laws that either ban certain schools from offering programs in their state or requiring that they seek approval. Some accrediting organizations have reciprocity agreements so that schools won't have to seek approval in every state, or at least every state covered by that accreditor.
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I know which PA program you are talking about, U of Wisconsin at Madison. I was looking at their program since it is the one that would make becoming a PA while living in Austin doable since Austin does not offer a PA program unless I move to San Antonio, Dallas, Houston or some other city. Most of my sisters have graduated from U of Wisconsin at Madison.
I wish Texas would stop getting in the way of my ability to do what I want to do education wise. On the subject of ITT Tech, seems like a worthless degree program considering it is NA and has low employer acceptance from what some people have told me. There are far cheaper RA programs that teach the same things that ITT Tech does.
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Dr John Wrote:I know which PA program you are talking about, U of Wisconsin at Madison. I was looking at their program since it is the one that would make becoming a PA while living in Austin doable since Austin does not offer a PA program unless I move to San Antonio, Dallas, Houston or some other city. Most of my sisters have graduated from U of Wisconsin at Madison.
I wish Texas would stop getting in the way of my ability to do what I want to do education wise. On the subject of ITT Tech, seems like a worthless degree program considering it is NA and has low employer acceptance from what some people have told me. There are far cheaper RA programs that teach the same things that ITT Tech does.
I was annoyed when I found out Texas students couldn't apply to U of Wisconsin at Madison's program. I was also annoyed when Namwen pointed out Texas students couldn't apply to UOTP, but I'm really hoping this will change soon. I can understand Texas looking out for students who might attend unaccredited schools, but the PA program is accredited. Although, it would suck if one couldn't find a preceptor.
If you want an explanation for why someone would attend a school like ITT Tech, check out Soliloquy's thread asking why people attend for-profit colleges. ITT Tech is very expensive, and it even warns prospective students that credits aren't likely to transfer. It does have a reputation that is about as bad as the ones for Deprive University and University of Phallus.
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DrJohn Wrote:I know that in Texas as well as many other states, it is against state law to use an unaccredited degree. I do know if this is the reason that UOTP can not offer its programs to Texas residents or not, but seems like a reasonable idea. I remember hearing something about how ITT Tech can not offer bachelors degree programs in Texas, but I do not know if that is still the case or not.
It would be nice to see UOTP offer masters degrees with this same model, for those who do not need an RA degree, this is a viable source for a degree.
DETC isn't unaccredited, it's nationally accredited. It's also fully recognized by the US Dept of Ed, however, when I look at the database, there is only 1 DETC school listed. It is common for there to be restrictions on state offerings, but I'm with Sanantone, I think this might resolve once hoops are jumped, t's are crossed, and i's are dotted.
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sanantone Wrote:It does have a reputation that is about as bad as the ones for Deprive University and University of Phallus. I just about died.
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I was reading the school information and it seems like it is a very noble mission of the school. I can't see this being a cash cow for the founder, so I applaud the school and hope one day they will achieve a better rep.
Side note: Any one else see the school name and immediately think The People's Republic of China? Or just me?
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sanantone Wrote:It does have a reputation that is about as bad as the ones for Deprive University and University of Phallus.
I should never have taken a sip of Dr. Pepper when reading this, most of it went out the nose!! Damn that was funny!!
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I know the DETC is a national accrediting agency that is listed with the Dept of Education and while I recognize that they are legitimate, I do question their usefulness for many degree seekers. But as it was pointed out before, there are tons of people that would have no negative repercussions from graduating from a NA school.
I might even be enticed to do a masters program or even a second bachelors program at UOTP since the cost is so worthwhile. I'm sure the kinks will eventually be worked out and I will recommend this program to those whom might be benefited by it. Now if only they will work out the kinks to allow me to take the PA program at U of W at Madison!! Austin has teaching hospitals, I'm sure finding a preceptor wouldn't be an insurmountable hurdle.
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